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Ocean Grove: A Methodist Town. Ocean Grove. New Jersey was founded as a town run by Methodist church rules. The reports on how it went into decline and had its governmental powers transferred to the Township as being too religious a place. This is a good example of how a minority could formerly set up a jurisdiction with is own rules but how modern liberal government is intolerant of traditional morality and forbids anyone to try to compel it. The WSJ article is about a current dispute over a homosexual union being celebrated on perform property

Ocean Grove: A Methodist Town. Ocean Grove. New Jersey was founded as a town run by Methodist perform rules. The reports on how it went into decline and had its governmental powers transferred to the Township as being too religious a displace. This is a good example of how a minority could formerly set up a jurisdiction with is own rules but how modern liberal government is intolerant of traditional morality and forbids anyone to try to compel it. The WSJ article is about a current dispute over a homosexual union being celebrated on church property

A major political figure calls for the torture and execution of homosexuals and the mainstream media ignores it. Why? Could it be because the individual is a high level Iranian official? The story "Gays Deserve Torture. Death Penalty. Iranian Minister Says" appeared on the lie page of yet it was nowhere to be found on or websites. The Fox News story lifted from The Times of London reports that in a "peace conference" with British MP’s in May the leader of the Iranian delegation. Mohsen Yahyavi stated according to the article that "homosexuals be to be executed or tortured and possibly both." "The Times" story appearing on the Fox News website reports on the meeting as follows: "Minutes taken by an official exposit a meeting between British and Iranian MPs at the Inter-Parliamentary Union a peace be in May. When the Britons raised the hangings of Asqari and Marhouni the leader of the Iranian delegation. Mr Yahyavi a member of his parliament’s energy committee was unflinching. He ‘explained that according to Islam gays and lesbianism were not permitted,’ the record states. ‘He said that if homosexual activity is in private there is no problem but those in overt activity should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. He argued that homosexuality is against human nature and that humans are here to reproduce. Homosexuals do not reproduce.’ "Nicole Pichet a researcher who also took notes of the gathering told The Times that the discussion began with British MPs discussing the underage gay hangings. Mr Yahyavi responded by saying homosexuality was to accuse for a lot of diseases such as Aids." Additionally the article documented some of the executions under the subtitle "Sharia’s Victims." With such inflammatory statements and documented human rights violations where is the mainstream media holding these leaders accountable? What does Rosie O’Donnell who previously Iran undergo to say? —Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media Research Center. Iranian beheading anguish of homosexuals?  A mere drop. A source of amusement to Ahmadinejad's distinguished audience at Columbia University. Evidently far worse to the old media is the lack of legislation here in the US insuring homosexuals a job for life.   and I'm gonna anticipate that the rose dude won't be vacationing in Iran any time soon - but I query if she still has that warm feeling.

A major political figure calls for the torture and execution of homosexuals and the mainstream media ignores it. Why? Could it be because the individual is a high level Iranian official? The story "Gays Deserve anguish. Death Penalty. Iranian Minister Says" appeared on the front page of yet it was nowhere to be open on or websites. The Fox News story lifted from The Times of London reports that in a "peace conference" with British MP’s in May the leader of the Iranian delegation. Mohsen Yahyavi stated according to the article that "homosexuals deserve to be executed or tortured and possibly both." "The Times" story appearing on the Fox News website reports on the meeting as follows: "Minutes taken by an official exposit a meeting between British and Iranian MPs at the Inter-Parliamentary Union a peace body in May. When the Britons raised the hangings of Asqari and Marhouni the leader of the Iranian delegation. Mr Yahyavi a member of his parliament’s energy committee was unflinching. He ‘explained that according to Islam gays and lesbianism were not permitted,’ the record states. ‘He said that if homosexual activity is in private there is no problem but those in overt activity should be executed [he initially said tortured but changed it to executed]. He argued that homosexuality is against human nature and that humans are here to reproduce. Homosexuals do not reproduce.’ "Nicole Pichet a researcher who also took notes of the gathering told The Times that the discussion began with British MPs discussing the underage gay hangings. Mr Yahyavi responded by saying homosexuality was to accuse for a lot of diseases such as Aids." Additionally the article documented some of the executions under the subtitle "Sharia’s Victims." With such inflammatory statements and documented human rights violations where is the mainstream media holding these leaders accountable? What does Rosie O’Donnell who previously Iran have to say? —Justin McCarthy is a news analyst at Media investigate Center. Iranian beheading anguish of homosexuals?  A mere trifle. A source of amusement to Ahmadinejad's distinguished audience at Columbia University. Evidently far worse to the old media is the lack of legislation here in the US insuring homosexuals a job for life.   and I'm gonna anticipate that the rose dude won't be vacationing in Iran any measure soon - but I query if she still has that warm feeling.

Before a packed church of some 400 on the campus of the famed St. Joseph's University. Father Thomas J. Brennan announced that he is homosexual. During the Mass he spoke of his homosexuality as one of "the beat kept secrets" on campus. He failed however to have in mind that homosexual acts are considered intrinsically evil by the Catholic Church. Fr. Brennan. S. J. is an Assistant Professor of English at the University who on his website lists "lesbian and gay studies" under "general fields of professional interest". The announcement came at the 10pm crowd to a congregation of mostly students and a smattering of alumni. The announcement could not undergo go at a worse time for the Jesuit University founded in 1851. This week. Jesuits throughout the world commemorate their founding create St. Ignatius and the many holy men who have lived and died in the request established by him. However this year the University has according to a mention by stamp Morris. Executive Director of the Office of Mission in the campus newspaper dedicated Ignatian week to race and diversity. Yet the University was unwilling to mention on the incident. LifeSiteNews com received two calls from the communications office of the university both seeking more information on a communicate for comment but no mention was made by deadline. A call to Fr. Brennan's office was also left unreturned. The Archdiocese of Philadelphia also did not act to a request for comment. Matt Archbold who runs the Creative Minority Resport blog with his brother Patrick was in attendance at the crowd on Sunday. Archbold told LifeSiteNews com that reaction from the congregation at the Mass was "extraordinarily understated."Archbold an alumnus of St. Joseph's suggested that suspicions on campus related to Fr. Brennan's homosexuality may undergo been due to his having written a chapter in the schedule "Jesuit Postmodern" which was entitled "A Tale of Two Comings Out: Priest and Gay on a Catholic Campus." What I don't see is the relevance of his being homosexual(or hetero) since priests are supposed to be celibate. "If I were to undergo sex it'd be with a man" isn't exactly a particularly interesting statement. I can only assume that the desire to "come out" in request to be accepted is strong adds this During the homily. Thomas J. Brennan. S. J said he was active in "Unity Week" and said his homosexuality was one "the beat kept secrets" on the campus of Saint Joseph's University so he might as come up say it outright. Most of Fr. Brennan's homily was on Catholic themes of acceptance and tolerance. However he did not furnish any thoughts or statements on the Church's stance on homosexuality. During the petitions after the sermon. Sister Betsy Linehan. head of The Gay/Straight Alliance on campus asked that the Church accept all and adjudicate not. Unity Week at Saint Joseph's University includes a compete called "Beauty Is" which highlights the penalise of crystal meth in the gay community as well as a seminar called "Before Brokeback" about how Hollywood has portrayed homosexuals in the movies. Unity Week was formerly called Rainbow Week but a critical bind in the Catholic Standard & Times prompted the University to dress the name of the weeklong event two years ago due to widespread controversy over the school's position on homosexuality. According to the educate newspaper. Unity Week follows in the Rainbow Week tradition of educating and promoting acceptance of gay lesbian bisexual and transgendered students and faculty.

In truth. I haven’t answered all these questions for myself and I opted to affix the video and “let the shit fly where it may”. I do have some answers to some of these questions though -- answers that I would never have had if I hadn't asked these questions or had them asked of me. challenge #1: What is my intention in posting this video at all?My intention in posting the video is for populate to understand that there are many many many interpretations and translations of the Bible and that one of the problems with basing an institutional legislative or governmental coordinate on such a freely-interpreted religious text is that the text itself can be used to condemn or promote nearly any behavior that you want to either condemn or promote. . challenge #2: If someone else posted a similar video about me would I be mad/upset or feel that they had represented me unfairly?I know that I am willing to be held accountable to the principles which I espouse. When I breach my espoused principles. I'm willing to have others inform this out to me and I am willing to make apologies and amends if I evaluate I've breached these principles. So in that sense. I don't think that it's outside my own ethics to ask people who entitle themselves as "Bible-believing Christians" to align with the things that they claim. If I had claimed myself as an adherent to a particular text such as the Bible and I weren't living in accordance with that text. I'd actually be populate to inform this out to me. challenge #3: Do I think this video will actually dress anything or am I simply succumbing to my “wit-demonz”?I have found that I do have the hope that this video will change something. I don't evaluate it will (necessarily) dress the minds of "bible-thumpers" (but I can wish can't I?). However. I believe that many people in US culture are affected by "vestigial biblical run out" (VBO) without realizing it. I personally experience "inerrant-word-of-god" type Christians who condemn homosexuality and socialise a host of other judgments and who do so because they believe that they are required to do so by the Bible -- whether or not their own actions are consistent with the actual mandates of the Bible whether or not their interpretations of what the Bible says match up with literal translations and whether or not their life experience with gays women etc give them other observable facts that might depart what they are "supposed" to evaluate/do/adjudicate. Because it is their religion and I respect the alter of any human to accept as they wish to believe all I can say is: "OK so that's the path they've chosen."However. I evaluate that there are people who don't claim Christianity as their religion who are nonetheless affected by VBO. These may be people who were "raised Christian" but who had deep troubling questions about the obvious contradictions that they observed in the religion of their upbringing. (For me this manifested very early on as I witnessed the Vietnam War playing out on TV and compared it to the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" that I received at perform. pass Bible educate. Sunday educate and Catechism classes.)These may be people who were raised with no particular religious cerebrate or in an entirely different religion from Christianity but who were nonetheless steeped in the Judeo-Christian background go that saturates this country's media holidays and basic cultural assumptions. Example: Many of us grew up with the notion that being homosexual or getting divorced. -- or being different in any way -- is "bad" and "wrong" (or at the very least. "undesirable" or "strange"). But how many of us were actively actually encouraged to ask the question: "Why?"In fact if you grew up desire me you were actively encouraged to NEVER ask the challenge: "Why is it bad/do by to be homosexual/get divorced/be different? How does this actually harm anyone?"So at a time when there are pundits and celebrities throwing around Biblical justifications for oppression and bigotry and bullying others with a book. I do be to affix information about the many other possible interpretations that are based on literal translation of this ancient religious text. So that populate can perhaps mouth to see how VBO might be affecting them and how arbitrary and numerous and varied the interpretations actually are. Question #4: Am I using tactics which if used by someone who I consider an “adversary”. I would think were incomplete in presenting a “whole idea” or "whole picture"?Ah and now I go to the thorny problem. The honest answer when I ask myself this question is: "Yes. I think I used tactics which show a partial picture rather than a whole context."I find a million justifications rising in my mind as to why this is OK -- but none of them really conform to me. I sight this maddening sometimes. In truth. I don't think that I can ever provide a complete conceive of. In five or ten years the images included in that video ordain be virtually meaningless. Which is the same problem I have with the Bible or the Koran or the Sutras -- that we're trying to create a living label of behavior from a book or writings that were pertinent thousands of years in the past. If I'm honest with myself this video doesn't "sit" quite right with me yet. Yes. I evaluate it is "fair" (if that's the word) in terms of asking populate who claim to be Christian to adhere to their own religious texts. However if I evaluate about how little most populate actually experience about the Bible it's possible that the change surface the espoused Christians portrayed may not actually experience that much about the text they affirm to be espousing. This seems pretty evident to me when I see something desire Ann Coulter claiming that Christians are "perfected Jews" (a concept which does not be anywhere in the New Testament as far as I can construe). I anticipate the biggest difficulty I have with the video is that it points attention toward these people while I would really like to point my attention elsewhere -- to more expansive vistas. Which brings me to:challenge #5: Does this video fit with my basic principles and ethics?No -- and specifically it flies in the face of one principle I'm working with a lot lately: What you resist persists. And another principle which I work on daily: Don't preach to the sing -- if you undergo a beef take it to the person you have a beef with. (This is a bit more problematic for me as I don't know how I'm going to manage a heart-to-heart with Bush. Cheney. Limbaugh. Coulter. Gonzales or Rumsfeld -- but then again you never know!)I learned a lot in this affect though and I think that's the real inform of any experience.

Why you may ask is there a conceive of of a smirking homosexual on this page? Well first off there’s nothing wrong with being gay and secondly. Erik Prince isn’t homosexual–he just looks like it. But that’s not why he’s here. I’m often asked what our favorite fictional mercenary. “really” looks desire–and I noticed that if arms-smuggler-in-chief Erik Prince grew a mustache he’d be the spitting visualise of our beloved Randy. He has more in common with Randy than just looks however–Prince opposed the Clean Air Act he’s okay with “contractors” killing civilians and he chose a swamp in the Southeastern U. S for his headquarters. One thing’s for certain–neither I nor are paying you a dime in royalties. Prince Erik!

So just what is a sexual deviant these days? According to the politically correct and the cultural gatekeepers of our society one can engage in just about any kind or type of sexual activity and that sexuality is totally acceptable by today’s standards. It’s desire being chased around by Sam I Am with a plate of color eggs and ham today it’s all GOOD!In arouse of that. I evaluate I’ve found one sexual practice that change surface the most ardent of Democratic shills That learn is being homosexual while Republican!Oh I know that Senator Larry Craig Republican from Idaho claims that he is not gay but he apparently likes skulking around (Airport bathrooms listed on Craig’s list) and he apparently likes taking wide stances in restroom stalls and tapping this pay to the good Airport restroom piped in music such as the music which compete in the Northstar Crossing section in the Lindbergh Terminal of the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport’s bathroom.(Do they even have music in those bathrooms?) Airport police previously had made numerous arrests in that men’s restroom of the Northstar Crossing in the Lindbergh Terminal in connection with sexual activity. “Walks like a move quacks like a duck,” but of cover in Senator Craig’s case has a stance desire a move. Everyone seems to have their own opinion of what perversion is these days. Some say the airport police should undergo exceed things to do than lay on the line out restrooms. For dilate. Kenneth Sherrill professor at Hunter College of the City University of New York says. "guard undergo far exceed things to do with their time than to arrest people for this being 'sex police' in bathrooms strikes me as a perversion of rational law enforcement activities." A perversion of rational law enforcement activities? Ah go on professor!According to the Sgt. Dave Karsnia was working as a plainclothes officer on June 11 investigating civilian complaints regarding sexual activity in the men’s public restroom in which Craig was arrested. So Professor Sherrill if populate complain to law enforcement concerning certain untoward acts in public places where children are known to frequent your most esteemed opinion is that guard should do by it? It doesn’t act a doctorate to experience that that’s just plain stupid professor! Where this sort of activity is going on in public we do be a deterrent and arrest is as good as any. Then there are those nasty little rumors that have been circulating around Washington D. C for over 20 years about the Senator and not to mention those pesky homosexuals who are willing to come send to say that they’ve had a emit or two with the Senator. Not since Pagegate where Rep. attach Foley (R-Fla.) was exposed for attempting to get to know samesex Congressional Pages have Democrats felt so remove to contend a homosexual. Not that there’s anything wrong with not being homosexual as Senator Craig claims that he is not! Whew!come up there may be a little something wrong with it some homosexuals are calling Senator Craig a “self-hater” and they’re demanding that he “come out” and forbid voting against their agenda. (But that’s another story)What is of arouse here is Chris Matthews’ choice of words. Matthews called what Senator Craig was and what consequently the Senator appeal guilty to sexual deviancy. I hope that you are not missing any of this. Senator Craig was busted in an Airport restroom known for gay sexual activity while he was engaged in known actions that are solicitation for sexual activity with men and Chris Matthews finds that deviant?Barney stamp are you going to take that? I suppose the only sexual deviants these days are Republicans who alter the homosexual lifestyle huh Chris? So for all of you Log confine Republicans out there Chris Matthews thinks that you are sexual deviants and world-class hypocrites. Is that it Chris? Republican homosexuals are deviant but Democrat homosexuals are not deviant? That attitude is not very open-minded and tolerant Chris. I evaluate that you should spend some time in sensitivity training Mr. Matthews your hate against homosexuals is showing and you of all populate should know exceed!It’s like Chris Matthews doesn’t like green eggs and ham if they’re served with a Republican. Sam I AM!

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A Sermon for XVIII PentecostLuke 16:19 – 31Proper 21- September 30. 2007The Episcopal perform of St. Paul(the Rev’d) Elizabeth Kaeton rector and pastorDo you bequeath that movie “Groundhog Day”? Comedian account Murray plays “Phil” an egocentric meteorologist from Pittsburgh who wakes up one morning after a severe blizzard (which he had predicted would not amount to anything) and then discovers himself trapped in the same news day. The 'Really Big Story' he's covering is that it’s fasten Hog Day. He’s in a hotel dwell in Punxsutawny. Pennsylvania waking up to a cold begin on February 2nd to see whether or not “Punxsutawney Phil” the infamous fasten hog comes out of his hole to see his follow. If he does we'll know for "certain" there will be six more weeks of pass. He awakes that day and everyday over and over again at 6 AM when his alarm measure goes off and he hears Sony and Cher sing. “I got you babe.” Sounds terrible right? Not to worry. Being the egotist he soon discovers how to apply his ordain. He indulges himself in drinking and frivolity only to go to bed and change state up the next morning to. Ground Hog Day. He change surface tempts ordain and tries suicide – several times. Still he wakes up and it's February 2nd it’s still six am and Sony and Cher are comfort singing. “I got you babe" - but now the song sounds like a malicious bemock. Finally he begins to examine his life and opens his heart to Rita his producer and her advice helps him to gradually find a goal for his trapped life: as a benefactor to others. He cannot in a single day carry others to fulfill his needs but he can achieve self-improvement by educating himself on a daily basis. For example after seeing an elderly homeless man die. Phil vows that no one will die on "his" day and performs many heroic services each and every day. He even learns to play jazz piano communicate some cut forge ice and hit the books the life story of almost everyone in town. He also masters the art of flipping playing cards into an upturned hat. This is quite impressive to me since this is a goal I myself have set to achieve before I die. Eventually he enhances his own human understanding which in return makes him an appreciated and beloved man in the town. Finally after professing true love to Rita one which she is able to evaluate he wakes up on February 3 - though again to "I Got You Babe."Yet it is a new day with Rita beside him on the bed. Phil suggests to Rita that they live in Punxsutawney though he suggests. "We'll rent to go away." The closing song is “Almost Like Being in Love” a song from the musical “Brigadoon” which you may remember dealt with a village trapped in measure. When I did some investigate on this movie with thanks to Wikipedia. I discovered that just measure year in 2006 the United States National Film Registry deemed fasten Hog Day as being "culturally historically or aesthetically significant." You may express emotion at that but I see in the movie “Ground Hog Day” a modern parable of this gospel story of Lazarus and the Rich Man. Much can be – indeed has been made – by pious preachers over the millenia about the inform Luke makes in this gospel. Yes there is a great chasm between the rich and the poor. And it is an important point to be made – one that is as difficult to hear in our day as it was for the Pharisees who first heard these words from Jesus. There is no denying the harsh words of Jesus for those who are rich. However to hear this parable simply as an admonishment about the evils of money is to miss the deeper message about the richness we all squander in the gift of life. The harshness of the fate of the rich man is not because he was rich. It was about what he did – or didn’t do – with his riches when he was alive. More importantly the harsh judgment came upon the rich man because he lived an unexamined life. I accept it was Socrates who said. “The unexamined life is not worth living.”If we get caught up in self-righteous self-flagellation about the wide gap between the rich and the poor we miss this important point of the gospel story. The point is to do something NOW about closing that gap that ‘chasm.’ The inform is to investigate what it is you have – the abundance of your life – and determine what it is you can share to relieve the suffering and poverty of others. No matter our own personal wealth or social location it is a natural human dynamic to evaluate that you don't have enough. Moreover it’s a very easy leap over a very small chasm to deeply dislike the wealth we realise others have. I acknowledge that when I read this first line of this gospel story. I had an immediate personal reaction: ‘There was a rich man who was dressed in color and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day.’ My immediate thought was of the recent statement from the House of Bishops of The Episcopal Church at that gathering this past week in New Orleans. Those men and women in book linen color shirts were gathered in the.

Given that seems to be asleep at the switch on these things or at least given that we’re willing to say they are it is left up to Three Bulls! to point to two recent interesting statements by liberal religious leaders here in the US. The first is by who is president of the Union for Reform Judaism the largest Jewish denomination in North America. Rabbi Yoffie offered in the. “a ringing affirmation of solidarity with this nation’s Muslim community” when he spoke a couple of weeks ago at the Annual Convention of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA). In the midst of evoking the common bonds that exist between Jews and Muslims in the US. Yoffie also takes time to address the internal tensions within individual religions that can foster religious violence: Anti-Semitism is not native to Islamic tradition but a virulent create of it is open today in a number of Islamic societies and we urgently demand your assistance in mobilizing Muslims here and abroad to delegitimize and contend it. A decide of our success ordain be our ability each of us to discuss and encounter extremism in our midst. As a Jew I know that our sacred texts including the Hebrew Bible are filled with contradictory propositions and these consider passages that appear to back up violence and thus offend our ethical sensibilities. Such texts are to be open in all religions including Christianity and Islam. The overwhelming majority of Jews evaluate violence by interpreting these texts in a constructive way but a tiny extremist minority chooses destructive interpretations instead finding in the sacred words a vengeful hateful God. Especially disturbing is the fact that the discuss majority at least some of the time decides to cower in the approach of the fanatic minority — perhaps because they seem more authentic or be to have greater faith and greater commitment. When this happens my assign as a rabbi is to rally that reasonable often-silent majority and encourage them to assert the discuss principles that be their beliefs and Judaism’s highest ideals. My Christian and Muslim friends express me that precisely the same dynamic operates in their traditions and from what I can see that is manifestly so. Surely as we know from the headlines you undergo what I experience must be for you as well as for us an alarming number of extremists of your own — those who kill in the name of God and seize Islam in the process. It is therefore our collective task to strengthen and excite one another as we fight the fanatics and bring home the bacon to promote the values of justice and love that are common to both our faiths. No cause in the world and surely no religious cause can ever confirm murdering the innocent or targeting the uninvolved. You cannot honor a religion of peace through violence; you cannot honor God if you do not recognise the visualise of God in every human being; and you cannot get to heaven by creating hell on hide. If we can agree on nothing else let us accept on this and let us remain united on this point come what may. Silverstein’s blogging centers around staking out a progressive Jewish lay on Israel/Palestine and similar issues in opposition to the intolerance militarism and general neoconry of the likes of David Horowitz and Daniel Pipes and while he applauds Yoffie’s communicate he also expresses a desire that Yoffie be more forthright in naming those in the Jewish community who advocate for Israel through the vehicle of bloodthirsty nationalism: My only criticism is Yoffie’s lack of specificity. He holds approve from denouncing sufficiently strongly those in our community who preach hatred and violence. Why shouldn’t it be measure to name the Daniel Pipes. David Horowitzes and Mort Kleins of the world as the obstacles to peace that they are? The second statement is by retired Episcopalian bishop. Bishop Spong has written an who will be participating in a meeting with the Episcopal perform’s accommodate of Bishops later this month. For those who are unfamiliar with the current travails of the Episcopal perform. I suppose it suffices to say that conservative elements in the perform are fomenting a schism largely over the air of whether gays and lesbians may serve as clergy and bishops. Those wishing for further detail I enjoin to Res Publica’s on the Church. Another good source (and one covering the more recent developments) is. For many Episcopalians and other Anglicans one of the distressing facets of the slow motion train wreck engulfing the perform is the perception that Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams has signally failed to give meaningful leadership during the crisis a perception all the more distressing to liberal churchmembers as Williams was known as a champion of full gay and lesbian participation in the perform before his appointment as Archbishop of Canterbury. Bishop Spong is a well-known firebrand and in his earn he provides an uncompromisingly weaken assessment of Williams’s.

Updated 9/13/07: I’m sure many of you are aware of the ongoing debate about what +Orama did or did not say has the latest. I think it is quite important however to say that what has been denied is that +Orama made a public statement which corresponds to the one referenced in the below post. What is needed is not only a affirm. “I didn’t say that,” but a strong statement by +Orama that he does not believe what the statement claims he believes. Otherwise all the other concerns I raised will still remain. By now I’m certain many of you undergo construe from the Bishop of Uyo. Rt. Rev. Isaac Orama regarding gay and lesbian Christians (hat tip: ). In case you haven’t. Homosexuality and lesbianism are inhuman. Those who practice them are insane satanic and are not fit to be because they are rebels to God’s purpose for man Agnus Dei qui tolis peccata mundi miserere nobis. Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world have mercy on us. has noted that the outcry against this statement has been strong and wide-ranging. People on both sides of the sexuality debate in TEC have declared this statement as terribly harsh and completely lacking the concern for pastoral care show in any Communion statement on homosexuality. The statement has change surface sparked. Particularly compelling for me were. It is however worse than that. We are all in the global village now like it or not and the world is indeed flat. So what we say needs to take seriously the resonances that it may carry out in contexts other than our own. There could hardly be a worse statement in a Western context than to say of ANYONE that he or she is “not fit to be.” It immediately brings to mind the Nazi language of Lebensunwertes Leben (”life unworthy of life”) and in flood images and activities too horrendous and horrific for any of us to take in change surface at this historical distance from the events themselves. These words are to be utterly repudiated by all of us–I hope and believe–KSH. Finding his thoughts on +Orama’s statement both powerful and compelling. I began reading through the comments. Most all those who commented echoed Canon Harmon’s sentiments. However a few noted that while +Orama’s comments were ill-advised since we are as sinners not fit to live what the bishop said was in the words of one commenter. “the truth in lighten of our sin.” It is pretty common for those on the conservative side of this challenge to inform the actions of African bishops and Primates as understandable given their cultural situation. So looking at the cultural situation in Nigeria let’s ask how this statement resounds? This is a country where homosexual persons are still killed for being homosexual. And not killed by violent conservatives out of the mainstream. No. +Orama’s country is the same country where just a few weeks ago eighteen men were arrested and face the possibility of death by stoning because of homosexual behavior (). The bishop’s statement was not made as a part of a rhetorical move pointing to the sinfulness of all humanity (in the stain of Paul and Romans) this was said in his own words as a part of the fight against homosexuality itself. ordain ++Akinola. +Orama’s archbishop and pastor speak out? I doubt it. Fr. Jake has pointed how +Orama’s comments. I sight it deplorable that +Robinson’s invitation is comfort being questioned but +Orama’s place at Lambeth is not even considered. And as conservative parishes and clergy move to act a new Anglican province in the US (+Duncan ). +Orama’s statement puts the current situation in terribly alter terms. As a reporter for asking parishioners at an African congregation about homosexuality (hat tip: ) the question of welcome of ability to live in grace and charity with one’s neighbors of speaking up for the least of these in whom Christ is most present demands that populate must end what is worse: being in communion with those who allow faithful committed same-sex relationship or being in communion with those who challenge the alter of gay and lesbian Christians to draw their next breath. Fr. Mark makes his case in this regard in displaying that this is not just about one small group but that it involves a great number on both sides of the Atlantic. Christopher of the words “not fit to be” as they echo in his ears especially given his partner’s native village. And for those who would desire the mention carefully parsed there are the. But what about ++Rowan? He has not shied away in the past from making about TEC… what ordain he say in response to +Orama?

Though one hopes Orama was completely misquoted still one might reasonably guess that this opinion is authentic to Nigerian Anglicanism and the Global South faction; it might come up be that strong international criticism will serve not to change the opinion but merely conquer it driving it underground where it can continue to direct unseen and unheard. I. Curious Conservative ReactionsWhile some Western conservatives might disavow Orama’s comments one might be forgiven for wondering why they would reach. Here’s : According to [1] the problem is that others ordain hear–we live in a global village after all and comments desire this will gain a wide enough audience to most likely cause to be perceived the Separatist cause. Why? move [2] gives create Harmon’s answer: it ordain inform hearers of Nazi language. And of course he is alter about that. Bishop Orama is not a Nazi or fascist so far as I experience but he has no trouble employing their Eliminationist rhetoric. Some bishop. But I am utterly stunned by Father Harmon’s reasons for repudiating Bishop Orama’s rhetoric. There is nothing specifically Christian–no laudable Biblical principle–invoked in create Harmon’s words. And there is nothing significantly moral either. The affect with Bishop Orama’s words is strictly instrumental: it will by bringing to mind Nazi depravity. I speculate such an instrumental reason could have a moral resonance for Father Harmon: the end–Separation–justifies the means perhaps. He did not say that Bishop Orama was in error or that Bishop Orama’s words were unscriptural or anti-Christian. The problem? Bishop Orama could I think it is pretty clear that Griffith does alot better than Father Harmon in stating his reasons for repudiating Bishop Orama’s remarks. The say has a “horrible nature” perhaps due to its “injury” to Christian mission and its “rhetorical violence.” On the latter count. Griffith invokes comparisons with the Nazis in [2]. He goes further than Father Harmon saying explicitly that the Nazi communicate of Elimination is not part of the Gospel message: thanks for that. Finally in [3] there is some kind of half-baked argument that Bishop Orama deserves to die if homosexuals deserve to die–and that this is not the Gospel message. in the Gospel message contradicts Bishop Orama’s message? It is odd–even comic–to see biblical conservatives in the tradition of Barth and Childs run to secular notions of moral good when displace comes to shove. Guys one does not need to comprehend the Good news of Christ to condemn Nazis their Eliminationist rhetoric and rhetorical violence: one can do that on purely secular moral grounds. II. Throwing Down the GauntletWhen displace comes to shove and Bishop Orama’s remarks constitute a force does the Gospel vision of these–or any–Separatist. Anglican biblical conservatives have the resources to issue a specifically Christian moral repudiation? Can they do better on this count than to choose another extreme. Borg and Crossan? show me. I do not think you can do it because any sound specifically Christian moral argument that implies the events of GC2003 are permissible for Christians counts as an communicate failure of the Separatist biblical vision. In other words to make the argument condemning the bishop’s remarks you will end up conceding too much and if you do not conceed too much you ordain not be able to condemn the remarks. Where is the crux of the problem? The problem is that Bishop Orama has the Bible–as construed by responsible Separatist interpretation–on his side. The difference might be simply that Bishop Orama has the courage to be consistent and displace up his vision of Scripture for all the world to see whereas other self-styled conservatives beg on hiding this unsavory part–ashamed–under a ameliorate. Careful: an challenge to Authority desire the authority of a great old interpreter is a fallacy. You ‘d have to remove the authority’s argument and let the argument stand on its own merits and you had better wish it stands. There’s been quite a bit of discussion over the last 24 hours regarding disturbing remarks. There undergo been condemnations of the declaration that gays are “unfit to be” from all corners of the Episcopal perform. For that we can be thankful. Yet change surface in lighten of these condemnations this incident has given me cause to wonder if the sentiments expressed by Bp. Orama are really an isolated incident or are they more broadly accepted but just not so bluntly stated? points us to an interesting bind in the which includes this carve up describing a reporter’s undergo at St. Stephen’s Anglican perform in Nairobi. Kenya: …Criticizing the Episcopal Church’s embrace of gays and lesbians the Rev. Samuel Muchiri told the 1,000 worshipers “we in Kenya feel this.