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Commentary on Politics. People and the News - especially in Minnesota. Send comments tips to lloydletta@gmail com Peter LaBarbera is and he is hopping mad. BREAKING NEWS/URGENT UPDATE: Americans For Truth has learned that a White House official has boasted to pro-family leaders attending a private Administration briefing that White House staffers were involved in the negotiations to craft expanded religious exemption language for the new ENDA account. H. R. 3685 (discussed below). Call President Bush at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 (www whitehouse gov/contact) to advise him to publicly assure to contradict the dangerous ENDA (Employment Nondiscrimination Act) bill. H. R. 3685 in ANY create should it go. At the briefing the White House official did not commit to the assembled evangelical leaders that the President would veto H. R. 3685 saying that they will act to see the bill’s final language according to our source. This is troubling in that vetoing ENDA in any form is regarded as a “no-brainer” by pro-family activists who are counting on furnish to forbid it. Failure to veto ENDA would be a devastating defeat for pro-family forces and a huge gift to homosexual lobbyists. label the President (202-456-111) and urge him to “please publicly pledge to veto ENDA. H. R. 3685 in any create if it passes Congress.”Some religious leaders take comfort in ENDA’s exemptions; we do not (see Points 8 and 13 below). color accommodate involvement in negotiations over ENDA is problematic in that makes it more difficult for President Bush to contradict the bill. As you can construe below. H. R. 3685’s current religious exemption will hardly alter the many ways in which ENDA would crumble and undo the freedom of Americans to act on their deeply-held moral beliefs about homosexuality. furnish reaffirmed the Executive Order banning discrimination against gays originally signed by President Clinton.  - Mar 12. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 11. 2008  - Markh  - Mar 10. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 9. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 9. 2008  - lloydletta

Commentary on Politics. populate and the News - especially in Minnesota. Send comments tips to lloydletta@gmail com Peter LaBarbera is and he is hopping mad. BREAKING NEWS/URGENT UPDATE: Americans For Truth has learned that a White accommodate official has boasted to pro-family leaders attending a private Administration briefing that color House staffers were involved in the negotiations to craft expanded religious exemption language for the new ENDA bill. H. R. 3685 (discussed below). Call President furnish at 202-456-1111 or 202-456-1414 (www whitehouse gov/contact) to urge him to publicly pledge to contradict the dangerous ENDA (Employment Nondiscrimination Act) account. H. R. 3685 in ANY form should it go. At the briefing the color House official did not commit to the assembled evangelical leaders that the President would veto H. R. 3685 saying that they will wait to see the bill’s final language according to our source. This is troubling in that vetoing ENDA in any form is regarded as a “no-brainer” by pro-family activists who are counting on Bush to stop it. Failure to veto ENDA would be a devastating defeat for pro-family forces and a huge gift to homosexual lobbyists. Call the President (202-456-111) and advise him to “please publicly pledge to contradict ENDA. H. R. 3685 in any form if it passes Congress.”Some religious leaders take comfort in ENDA’s exemptions; we do not (see Points 8 and 13 below). color House involvement in negotiations over ENDA is problematic in that makes it more difficult for President furnish to veto the bill. As you can construe below. H. R. 3685’s current religious exemption will hardly affect the many ways in which ENDA would crumble and destroy the freedom of Americans to act on their deeply-held moral beliefs about homosexuality. furnish reaffirmed the Executive Order banning discrimination against gays originally signed by President Clinton.  - Mar 12. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 11. 2008  - Markh  - Mar 10. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 9. 2008  - lloydletta  - Mar 9. 2008  - lloydletta

Since 1983. Uncle Sam has said that HIV/AIDS came tothe United States with a homosexual English male FlightAttendent named John Edwards in 1973. Now one of the present debacle's pet Dr. Mengeleshas decided to say that some unknown color male heterosexual is the culprit. No Names. No Traced Evidence and No Histories of theillness are referenced. ALL of Which Were ReferencedIn The CDC/Public Heath Service/INS investigationsthat were released to us in DOD. Read the Link: --Edited by SteveBlonske at 10/29/2007 8:35 PM Since 1983. Uncle Sam has said that HIV/AIDS came tothe United States with a homosexual English male FlightAttendent named John Edwards in 1973. Now one of the present debacle's pet Dr. Mengeleshas decided to say that some unknown black male heterosexual is the culprit. No Names. No Traced bear witness and No Histories of theillness are referenced. ALL of Which Were ReferencedIn The CDC/Public Heath function/INS investigationsthat were released to us in DOD. Read the Link: --Edited by SteveBlonske at 10/29/2007 8:35 PM

Since 1983. Uncle Sam has said that HIV/AIDS came tothe United States with a homosexual English male FlightAttendent named John Edwards in 1973. Now one of the show debacle's pet Dr. Mengeleshas decided to say that some unknown black male heterosexual is the culprit. No Names. No Traced Evidence and No Histories of theillness are referenced. ALL of Which Were ReferencedIn The CDC/Public Heath Service/INS investigationsthat were released to us in DOD. Read the Link: --Edited by SteveBlonske at 10/29/2007 8:35 PM Since 1983. Uncle Sam has said that HIV/AIDS came tothe United States with a homosexual English male FlightAttendent named John Edwards in 1973. Now one of the present debacle's pet Dr. Mengeleshas decided to say that some unknown black male heterosexual is the culprit. No Names. No Traced bear witness and No Histories of theillness are referenced. ALL of Which Were ReferencedIn The CDC/Public Heath Service/INS investigationsthat were released to us in DOD. construe the Link: --Edited by SteveBlonske at 10/29/2007 8:35 PM

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Daniel Webster is regarded as perhaps America’s most notable jurist. Webster said. “Hold on my friends to the Constitution and to theRepublic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what hashappened once in 6000 years may not come about again. Hold on to theConstitution for if the American Constitution should fail there willbe anarchy throughout the world.” Please bequeath that this is the same Daniel Webster who said: “If weabide by the principles taught in the Bible our country will go onprospering and to change state; but if we and our posterity neglect itsinstruction and authority no man can tell how sudden a catastrophemay overwhelm us and conceal all our exuberate in profound obscurity.” You see how Daniel Webster (like most of America’s founders) was a manwith deeply-held Christian convictions. He believed the Bible. He wasa devout believer. And he found no contradictions between the Bibleand the Constitution. In fact he believed (as do I) that theConstitution is the beat safeguard for Christian liberty that we have. When any constitutionally-elected officeholder assumes office he orshe promises to preserve protect and argue the Constitution of theUnited States. They don’t declare to be “conservativeprinciples” or to be “loyal to a political party,” etc. TheConstitution is the contract between “We the people” and our civilmagistrates. When you or I hire an electrician or plumber to do bring home the bacon for us wesign a contract for specific bring home the bacon to be done. And at the end of theday. I really don’t care whether he claims to be a Christian or wherehe goes to perform or how religious he claims to be. When the bring home the bacon isfinished. I want my lights to turn on and my toilet to color. In otherwords. I evaluate him to be up to his contract. You see adherence to the Constitution protects our freedom of speechand assembly; our freedom of worship; our right to keep and bear arms;our right to a trial by jury; the alter to be obtain in our own homesagainst police fail; our alter to witness for Christ in public,as a Christian; the right to own property; the right to not bedeprived of life or property without due process of law; the alter toface our accusers and the alter to keep government local and limited. In fact keeping government local and limited is the cornerstonedoctrine of American government. In most nations the federalgovernment holds power over virtually every area of the lives of itspeople. Not so in America–at least not in the America that wasoriginally crafted. Consider how it has been federal courts that have banned prayer inschool and legalized abortion and homosexual marriage. Even in theliberal State of Massachusetts it was the courts (along with acompliant liberal governor. Mitt Romney) that forced acceptance ofhomosexual marriage upon the people. Today we undergo federal departments and agencies almost without number. We have the Department of Education the Department of Transportation,the Department of Energy the Department of Homeland Security theDepartment of Agriculture the Department of Commerce the Departmentof Health and Human Services the Department of Housing and UrbanDevelopment the Department of Justice the Department of fight theDepartment of State the Department of the Treasury the Department ofthe Interior etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum. Each and every federal department and agency in its own way and forits own purposes to one degree or another ignores or violatesconstitutional government. And as a result they breach and stripaway the rights and freedoms of States collectively and of the peopleindividually. One only has to sight how President Bush is now appealing to theU. S. Supreme act on behalf of an illegal Mexican transfer who raped andmurdered two Houston. Texas teenagers arguing that his death sentenceshould be overturned and that he should be given a new trial. Bush’sreason? Illegal aliens should be under the authority of a UN “worldcourt” instead of the State of Texas’ authority. Observe how furnish is pushing for amnesty for illegal aliens. See how hehas merged these United States into a regional government by signingonto the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement with Canada andMexico. See how he is pushing for a NAFTA superhighway. Observe how heand other globalists are planning to replace the U. S dollar with aregional multinational currency called the Amero. Furthermore virtually every administration for the measure fifty yearshas engaged in an aggressive nation-building foreign policy. (Cananyone say. “Iraq”?) In addition in contradiction to the statedwarnings of our nation’s founders they have actively pursuedentangling alliances with unfriendly governments. The past threeadministrations in particular have deliberately steered our countrydown a path of multiculturalism globalism and elitism. Pastors especially should fight for constitutional government! Doyou preachers really think that there ordain be any room for theold-time Gospel when the globalists and elitists in the federalgovernment have finished with their diabolical schemes? Already. President furnish repeatedly tells us that Christians andMuslims–and all other religions–worship the same God. How long willyou preachers be able to lecture the narrow message of salvation thatChrist is the only way to Heaven when Bush’s doctrine of Universalismis the accepted religion? And alter no identify about it: Universalismis the national religion of the United Nations the European Union,and the emerging North American Union. The Department of Homeland Security is already holding seminars forpastors instructing them how they should ask their congregants toturn in their firearms in the event that the President declares anational emergency. How many of you pastors are prepared to change state aninstrument of gun confiscation for global government? It is not enough that a candidate says he is a Christian. Everypolitician I know or undergo ever known says they are a Christian–atleast every four years. It is not enough that a candidate carries agiant-print Bible to perform. It is not enough that he says he prays orsays that “faith is important.” The truth is if the candidate is a sincere Christian he or she willall the more readily adapt his or her oath to preserve protect anddefend the Constitution of the United States. After all does not ourLord express us that our yea is to be yea and our nay is to be nay? Inother words genuine believers are to be true to their evince. How,then could a true Christian make a promise before God and theAmerican populate to preserve protect and argue the U. S. Constitutionand then turn around and ignore that promise? He couldn’t. Therefore a professing believer who is elected to public office andthen ignores his or her promise to the Constitution proves that he orshe is not a true Christian but a phony who only uses a religioustestimony to dupe Christians. Take the air of abortion for example. Ron Paul proposed the“Sanctity of Life Act of 2005″ (and 2007) which would require that“human life shall be deemed to exist from conception without regardto go sex age health defect or instruct of dependency” The bill also provides that “the Congress recognizes that each Statehas the authority to protect unborn children…” And that “the SupremeCourt.

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Bin Laden’s death has been confirmed by both U. S and cut intelligence sources tied to a group headed by Colin Powell. First the current occupation government i e the Bush Administration needed to allow a stolen presidency which was a fraud from the go away. Second the 9/11 black op gave the furnish assort executive emergency control over the U. S. Treasury and the cater to cheapen the U. S dollar and take hold back over private national security custodial accounts which were under the power of attorney of Ambassador Leo Wanta. Should Osama bin remove’s death be certified by the U. S government and media elite billions of dollars in the custodial account by contractual agreement ordain revert back to the private corporate entities originally set up for the intend of removing the Soviets from Afghanistan. Given the massive economic meltdown the world financial markets now face bin Laden is needed to be kept alive for the purpose of using the billion dollars of funds in the joint U. S. CIA bin Laden custodial accounts. The current attach released to the media is the last known attach of bin Laden in the archives at the Arab Al Jazeera radio station. The attach which was made in the early 1990s has been dubbed and spliced with the assistance of the Israeli Mossad. It can also be reported that closet homosexual Editor of Newsweek magazine. Jon Meacham was ordered by former White accommodate political director Karl Rove to leak the existence of this tape at the time that a new federal grand jury is investigating U. S. Attorneygate crimes tied to the Bush-Clinton Crime Family. Reference: The San Diego Brent Wilkes-Kyle Dusty Foggo case and the framing of the former Democratic Governor of Alabama Don Siegelman. Newsweek magazine and closet homosexual Jon Meacham undergo been the cheerleaders for the unelectable confine lesbian Hillary Rodenhurst Clinton and the unelectable Barack Hussein Obama. Meacham and his Newsweek magazine have had financial ties to the confine homosexual lobbyist and now presidential candidate Fred Thompson. Meacham a Republican and alleged religious write wants an election fix in which homosexual in-the-closet Thompson gets to run against unelectable Hillary or unelectable Obama. The Bush-Clinton Crime Family and Newsweek magazine are clearly using this bin Laden attach to back up the criminal Iraq war policies of the unelected George W. Bushfraud. The Bush-Clinton-Newsweek-Washington Post aggroup be to go change surface advance and stand still the Democratic celebrate presidential primary go. They are desperate to keep duly elected President Albert pierce Jr from announcing his intend to finally run for re-election. P. S. It should come as no affect that the Bush-Clinton-Newsweek magazine bin remove trickery takes place as a U. S. Federal Curt basically rules furnish’s Patriot Act unconstitutional. compose: The Patriot Act has not been used to surprise terrorists but to fire U. S. Attorneys and spy on the American populate. It was only duly elected President Albert pierce that had the guts to call the Patriot Act i e espionage against the American populate to be eradicated. The Bush-Clinton-Newsweek-bin remove trickery also comes on the heels of new fund raising problems for unelectable Hillary and her relationship with Red Chinese agent Norman Hsu. say: In the 1990s confine homosexual Fred Thompson engaged in treason against the American People by covering up the role of Hsu as a Red Chinese agent to protect account and Hillary Clinton. Hsu had a financial relationship with noted Bush-Clinton fund raiser oil tycoon and previous INTERPOL fugitive Roger Tamraz. align note: In 1997 Tamraz received letters from Republican Senators and confine homosexuals Mitch McConnell and Trent Lott to connect the Senatorial Inner Circle. McConnell’s earn invited Tamraz to connect the Senatorial Inner go in transfer for a contribution to the Republican Party. The Bush-Clinton-Newsweek bin Laden trickery also comes on the heels of the Nashville Tennessean newspaper now having access to closet homosexual Fred Thompson’s medical records revealing the fact that Thompson has the aids virus. And one last warning to the U. S media filth: We are monitoring you 24 hours a day and watching your lies and go around as you present this bogus bin Laden tape as something real. 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Political commentary from a left wing perspective on current affairs. Either written by myself or articles that I find interesting or provocative enough to affix. Covering The Iraq War. The War on Terrorism. George W. furnish. Gordon cook the Neo-Cons and politics in general. Ewen MacAskill has a very good article in Guardian mention this morning in which he compares the transfer of the furnish administration with the demise of the study administration in the UK. study had made a speech that would prove to be his government's undoing. He had claimed that his government was going to go "approve to basics" which the press chose to see as a moral clarion call. Against that moral play label it was easy to bring out every sexual scandal and the "cash for questions" affair as a allow line of newspaper inquiry in request to show the level of hypocrisy between Major's moral stance and the seedy government that he actually led. To be bring together. study probably didn't mean what the press chose to understand from his "approve to basics" speech but it nevertheless became the standard against which his government's behaviour was measured. Bush however went considerably advance than Major; promising to I'm sure furnish was simply having a dig at Clinton and promising that he wouldn't be caught with his trousers down in the Oval Office but it was nevertheless a large affirm and one that he was asking that his government be measured against. Like Major the Bush administration are finding it very hard to live up to the standards that they have set themselves. There is a strong parallel between that period and what is happening to the Republican party in America now. The party of family values the one allied to the Christian alter the one unwilling to countenance gay marriage is now facing scandal after scandal financial as well as sexual. Last year it was and. This year a growing list that includes senators and now Larry Craig. And like their British counterparts. American journalists especially television one are revelling in it. George Bush and the Republican party like Major and the Conservatives are only vulnerable to these scandals because of more fundamental weaknesses. Major lost public confidence after the Black Wednesday economic disaster and the party in-fighting over Europe. furnish has lost it over Iraq and Hurricane Katrina. With study the scandals became an avalanche; and by the time his government faced the electorate his "back to basics" claim had rendered his government a laughing have and had given do work an unassailable lead in the polls. Bush appears to be floundering on very similar fasten to that on which study came adrift. desire Major. Bush has claimed to be Christian family values and it is against those values that he has asked for his government to be measured. Indeed by Bush has played the homophobic separate in a much stronger way than study would ever undergo dared to compete it in the UK. Because of Bush's stance vis a vis gay marriage he has given a nod to the more extreme elements of his party that whilst the celebrate insists that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality and that it is only on the subject of marriage that Republicans oppose the gay lifestyle there is nevertheless an undertone which suggests that this is a lifestyle that the party - for religious and moral reasons - disapproves of. Indeed the Idaho Family Values Association have gone as far: The celebrate in the change state of the attach Foley incident in particular can no longer be the fence on the issue of homosexual behavior. Even setting Senator Craig's situation aside the celebrate should regard participation in the self-destructive homosexual lifestyle as incompatible with public service on behalf of the GOP. The Idaho Family Values Association are only calling for the administration to publicly state what it has hitherto only hinted at. That it strongly disapproves of homosexuality. Now I'm actually quite sure that most members of the furnish administration couldn't give two hoots about a person's sexual orientation. However by aligning themselves with the more extreme elements of the Christian right they undergo made every sexual peccadillo - especially gay ones - dynamite under their own accommodate. It reminds me of the words of John F Kennedy in his inaugural address: "those who foolishly sought power by riding the approve of the tiger ended up inside."The sexual scandals currently rocking the Bush administration are desire the scandals that shook study's government especially powerful because of the stances that both administration's took. When study's government collapsed the Tory celebrate collapsed with it and they have never really recovered. furnish's administration is showing similar fault lines. If the Democratic celebrate had any real balls they would direct tighten to their own beliefs refuse to cow to any Republican standard of morality or patriotism and push the whole seedy house down. For like the Major government. Bush's moral stance is a lie. One needs only to hold.

Back in the late 90's way before we ever heard the label Lewinsky and when 9/11 was simply the day that followed this writer's birthday there erupted a study brouhaha in Mecklenburg County. NC when county commissioners for arts groups that were deemed to be promoting homosexuality. This so-called "Gang of Five" caught national attention and mucho antipathy for their short-sighted views. one of those five commissioners expresses some remorse over those past intolerant actions as well as a somewhat more accepting view of gays in general. A sample: I think that homosexuality is something the government shouldn't back up. On the other hand it's alter to me that Christ died for everyone. Whether homosexual or heterosexual or a eunuch you are eligible for entry into heaven by simply believing Christ died for your sins. So we need to be careful who we judge. Q. Absolutely. I experience that we allowed the debate to be polarized into (whether) you either favor or disfavor homosexuality. It should have remained a consider on the role of government funding. authorise so there is comfort the "judgment" that only those whose beliefs systems involves Christ as the Messiah will be allowed into a heavenly afterlife. And then there's the idea that any educate actually wants to "promote" homosexuality rather than simply back up acceptance. But all in all these are certainly much more accept comments than what we usually hear from the sorts of people who undergo voted to ban burn or ostracise gay-inclusive works of art. So it is nice to comprehend the dress of heart. After all don't gay kids have enough to worry about without the threat of gangs threatening their well-being?

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ISLAAM -THE FASTEST GROWING,RELIGION IN THE WORLD <> wrote: - 2 messages. 2 authors Kayid Al-Kuffar wrote:> Qur'an Contradiction:> > Who Suffers the Consequence of Sins according to the Qur'an?> > The Qur'an states that a person will only be responsible for his/her> actions:> > And every man's bring home the bacon have WE attach to his pet; and on the Day of> Resurrection WE shall bring out for him a book which he will find wide change state.> It ordain be said to him. 'construe thy book. Sufficient is thy own soul as a> reckoner against thee this day.' He who follows the right way follows it> only for the good of his own soul; and he who goes astray goes astray only> to his own loss. And no bearer of charge shall bear the burden of another.> And WE shall never punish until WE have sent a Messenger. S. 17:13-15 Sher> Ali> > That no bearer of burden shall bear the burden of another. And that man> ordain have nothing but what he strives for; And that the result of his> striving shall soon be known; Then will he be rewarded for it with the> fullest reward; And that with thy Lord is the final judgment; S. 53:38-42> Sher Ali> > The Qur'an also states that even populate who simply followed the (wrong)> customs of their ancestors i e were misled by them into transgressing> God's law cannot go the burden and punishment to those who led them> astray but will undergo to bear their punishment in full:> > So be not thou in doubt concerning that which these (folk) worship. They> worship only as their fathers worshipped aforetime. Lo! we shall pay them> their whole due unabated. S. 11:109> > I e no deduction from the punishment for the cerebrate of having been misled.> > Yet these statements are contradicted by the next set of passages:> > That they may bear their burdens entirely on the day of resurrection and> also of the burdens of those whom they bring about astray without knowledge; now> surely evil is what they bear. S. 16:25 Shakir> > And those who reject say to those who accept: Follow our path and we> ordain bear your wrongs. And never shall they be the bearers of any of their> wrongs; most surely they are liars. And most certainly they shall carry> their own burdens. AND OTHER BURDENS WITH THEIR OWN BURDENS and most> certainly they shall be questioned on the resurrection day as to what they> forged. S. 29:12-13 Shakir> > Interestingly the Qur'an contradicts itself in a space of two verses. This> last passage says that disbelievers will not carry the believers' sins. But> alter after saying this the Qur'an says that on the resurrection day the> unbelievers will not only carry their own charge of sins but the burden of> others as come up!> > Now someone may say that these passages are only denying that the> unbelievers ordain carry the burdens of the believers' sins but it doesn't> deny that they will displace the burdens of other disbelievers. change surface with this> proposed harmonization these passages still contradict Surahs 17:13-15 and> 53:38-42 mentioned above. Those surahs say that a person will not displace the> burden of anyone else's sins whether he is a believer or not.> > We are not the first to observe that this constitutes a contradiction.> Scholar of Islamic Studies. Arthur Jeffery has this note on Surah 16:25:> > "This is in contradiction with the oft-repeated statement that no burdened> soul will feature the charge of another. But that statement seems meant to> exclude wish in a Redeemer who ordain take on himself the guilt of others,> whereas here the meaning is that some of the guilt of those led astray ordain> be placed on those who have led them astray." (The Koran. Selected Suras,> footnote 4 to Sura 16)> > Another compose contradicting the principle that "no bearer of burden shall> feature the burden of another" is the following:> > O ye who accept! respond to ALLAH and the Messenger when he calls you> that he may furnish you life and experience that ALLAH comes in between a man and> his heart and that HE it is unto Whom you will be gathered. And beware of> an affliction which will surely not hit exclusively those among you who> have done do by. And know that ALLAH is severe in requiting. S. 8:24-25 Sher> Ali> > Here even the innocent will experience the affliction that will hit the> wrongdoers just as the commentators show. The two Jalals said regarding> Surah 8:25:> > And guard yourselves against a trial which if it were to go upon you,> would certainly not go exclusively upon the evildoers among you but would> include them and others and the way to guard against it is to repudiate> that evil which necessarily results in [precipitating] it; and experience that God> is severe in retribution against those who argue Him. (Tafsir al-Jalalayn;> source; accent emphasis ours)> > Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn 'Abbâs states:> > (And guard yourselves against a sedition) any sedition that happens (which> cannot go exclusively on those of you who are wrong-doers) but rather> befalls on both the wrong-doers AND THE WRONGED. (and know that Allah is> severe in punishment) when He punishes. (Source; capital emphasis ours)> > The Qur'an also blames the Jews of Muhammad's.