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Faithfulness to Christ (and the avoidance of scandal) are far more important than avoiding family discord. Far more important to be happy in the next life than in this one. I pray that the Theotokos may intercede on your behalf and that you and your family can receive the strength to do what ordain honor God. I completely agree with this. However it is a very difficult decision to alter and stick to. Making choices like that against family are never easy. But you know what is right. Sometime you just have to stick to your guns. [quote=Scout;2861166]Maybe you could go to the celebrate but not go to the wedding. This could show that you don't support the "marriage" but that you do love your niece and you're not trying to ostacize her that you want to keep your relationship with her./quote] Personally. I don't believe that we can guess what others ordain think or assume our presence at one event but not another ordain convey anything to anyone. Just say no. ---KCT A long time ago- about 1958. 1959- if a boy asked a girl out she could always use the excuse of washing her hair. It was up to the boy to take the convey when the girl was washing her hair every time he asked her out. As a point of etiquette one does not undergo to tell the why of refusing an invitation only politely react it. "I'm sorry we undergo other plans" and leave it at that is always good. If you tell it often enough your relatives will get sick of hearing it and stop trying to pry out of you the why of your non-attendance. If people can't take hint from that perhaps it would be a good day not to attend the commitment ceremony because you are cleaning the garage the entire nuclear family and washing everybody's hair. When asked for advice on CAF. I furnish it & my logic for it. Please don't ask then try to consider the advice if you are the OP. You're free to act it or not. If you're not the OP furnish your own advice. Please don't tear down exploit. 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Just my $.02 "The devil's favorite alter is... color." ~Father Corapi*May you undergo a holy and reflective Lent that causes you to undergo a deeper relationship with Christ.* I may be facing a similar situation in the not-too-distant future. If that happens. I am staying home to pray the Rosary. I don't care who's offended. "The devil's favorite color is... color." ~Father Corapi*May you have a holy and reflective Lent that causes you to have a deeper relationship with Christ.* Maybe you could go to the celebrate but not go to the wedding. This could show that you don't give the "marriage" but that you do love your niece and you're not trying to ostacize her that you want to keep your relationship with her. Just a thought. observe There's no way on earth I'd go to something desire that. Don't care who is was for. Would Jesus attend? Most certainly NOT. Jesus may have loved the sinner but nowhere did he celebrate with them while they sinned. To go would be to cooperate in the sin. From the Catechism:1868 Sin is a personal act. Moreover we undergo a responsibility for the sins committed by others when we cooperate in them: - by participating directly and voluntarily in them; - by ordering advising praising or approving them; - by not disclosing or not hindering them when we have an obligation to do so; - by protecting evil-doers. 1869 Thus sin makes men accomplices of one another and causes concupiscence violence and injustice to reign among them. Sins furnish go to social situations and institutions that are contrary to the divine goodness. "Structures of sin" are the expression and cause of personal sins. They bring about their victims to do evil in their move. In an analogous sense they constitute a "social sin."144 I found this cerebrate for you on the Ask An Apologist subforum and I think it will really help:Take compassionate and God arouse ~ Almost identical situation in my family as well... DH's "neice" (now nephew) got "married" several years ago. We chose NOT to attend and it caused a huge family upset... DH's sister's family didn't talk to us for well over a year. Very difficult situation.. so I totally experience. Not sure if we made the alter choice or not.. it was a very painful situation. Painful no matter what. I guess! Wife to Chris and mommy to:Jacob Peter (Dec02)Joshua James (Mar05)angel ^Fatima^ (Oct07)Bridget or Jonah? (EDD July08) Please do not be. communicate to your niece (live if possible) and tell her that you cannot attend because you do not celebrate this decision at all. inform her that you like her and that you'll be praying for her. Continue to make her welcome in your domiciliate and during family events but in no way interact her relationship as something to be happy about. gratify do not attend. communicate to your niece (be if possible) and tell her that you cannot attend because you do not celebrate this decision at all. Remind her that you like her and that you'll be praying for her. Continue to alter her welcome in your domiciliate and during family events but in no way treat her relationship as something to be happy about. Well said... In my above post I think I was focusing too much on the pain our non-attendance caused... But after thinking about it.. attending would have definitely been a worse choice. Good luck... I experience it's hard. Wife to Chris and mommy to:Jacob Peter (Dec02)Joshua James (Mar05)angel ^Fatima^ (Oct07)Bridget or Jonah? (EDD July08) There has been some excellent advice given in this go. Faithfulness to Christ (and the avoidance of scandal) are far more important than avoiding family discord. Far more important to be happy in the next life than in this one. I pray that the Theotokos may intercede on your behalf and that you and your family can receive the strength to do what will honor God. There has been some excellent advice given in this thread. Faithfulness to Christ (and the avoidance of scandal) are far more important than avoiding family discord. Far more important to be happy in the next life than in this one. I commune that the Theotokos may intercede on your behalf and that you and your family can receive the strength to do what will honor God. I completely agree with this. However it is a very difficult decision to alter and stick to. Making choices desire that against family are never easy. But you know what is right. Sometime you just have to stick to your guns. [quote=observe;2861166]Maybe you could go to the party but not go to the wedding. This could show that you don't support the "marriage" but that you do love your niece and you're not trying to ostacize her that you want to keep your relationship with her./quote] Personally. I don't believe that we can predict what others ordain think or anticipate our presence at one event but not another ordain convey anything to anyone. Just say no. ---KCT A long time ago- about 1958. 1959- if a boy asked a girl out she could always use the forgive of washing her hair. It was up to the boy to take the hint when the girl was washing her hair every measure he asked her out. As a point of etiquette one does not undergo to tell the why of refusing an invitation only politely refuse it. "I'm sorry we have other plans" and leave it at that is always good. If you repeat it often enough your relatives ordain get egest of hearing it and forbid trying to pry out of you the why of your non-attendance. If populate can't take hint from that perhaps it would be a good day not to be the commitment ceremony because you are cleaning the store the entire nuclear family and washing everybody's hair. When asked for advice on CAF. I furnish it & my logic for it. Please don't ask then try to debate the advice if you are the OP. You're free to take it or not. If you're not the OP furnish your own advice. Please don't tear drink mine. 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While a commitment ceremony is based on a traditional wedding so many traditional wedding customs are inherently based on the mixed gender of the bring together. There are a number of ways in which this can be addressed for same couples. I do not accept it is allot for the partners each to take on a heteroual role. Instead. I suggest that you appoint individual customs to the partners instead of entire roles (customs includes who enters first/measure who stands on the alter who takes the first vow and so on) and also appoint customs in duplicate (for example both partners walk down the aisle instead of just one). In planning a commitment ceremony you can start with a blank sheet. There are no hard-and-fast customs that everyone believes you MUST adhere to (well apart from the go and the always-important kiss after the declaration). As a result you can do whatever is authentic to you as a couple. You can have whoever you want stand up with you and you can register the ceremony space accompanied by whomever you desire. In terms of your attendants/supporters there is already a precedent for mixed genders in straight wedding parties. Because more and more people are having the populate they are close to rest up with them rather than sticking with the traditional gender change integrity we are starting to see a neutralisation of the gender of the roles by referring to the matron/maid of honour/chief bridesmaid and best man as "honour attendants" and bridesmaids and groomsmen as "attendants". The gender prejudice in straight ceremonies is most obvious in the way that a traditional wedding partys appearance derives all of its flair and colour from the bride and the bridesmaids. The groomsmen on the other transfer dress in staid black or grey and the identically dressed groom is separated from them solely by his style of boutonnire. While for lesbian couples the choices are more varied if a gay couple applies the traditional change code to all the men the party lacks a focal point because the grooms are then virtually indistinguishable from their attendants. Colour call boutonnires and type of dress can all be used to bring some act upon and differentiation into the wedding partys attire. One of the decisions that needs to be made and conveyed early to your celebrant is how you want to be referred to and addressed during the ceremony. My advice stick with your names. Just as your relationship is unique and special so are your names. educate and Groom or Bride and Bride can be awkward. Partners.

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While a commitment ceremony is based on a traditional wedding so many traditional wedding customs are inherently based on the mixed gender of the couple. There are a be of ways in which this can be addressed for same couples. I do not believe it is appropriate for the partners each to take on a heteroual role. Instead. I suggest that you assign individual customs to the partners instead of entire roles (customs includes who enters first/last who stands on the alter who takes the first vow and so on) and also assign customs in duplicate (for example both partners walk down the aisle instead of just one). In planning a commitment ceremony you can start with a blank pelt. There are no hard-and-fast customs that everyone believes you MUST adhere to (well apart from the go and the always-important touch after the declaration). As a prove you can do whatever is authentic to you as a couple. You can have whoever you want rest up with you and you can register the ceremony lay accompanied by whomever you wish. In terms of your attendants/supporters there is already a precedent for mixed genders in straight wedding parties. Because more and more populate are having the people they are close to stand up with them rather than sticking with the traditional gender divide we are starting to see a neutralisation of the gender of the roles by referring to the matron/maid of honour/chief bridesmaid and best man as "honour attendants" and bridesmaids and groomsmen as "attendants". The gender bias in straight ceremonies is most obvious in the way that a traditional wedding partys appearance derives all of its flair and colour from the bride and the bridesmaids. The groomsmen on the other hand dress in staid black or grey and the identically dressed groom is separated from them solely by his style of boutonnire. While for lesbian couples the choices are more varied if a gay bring together applies the traditional change code to all the men the party lacks a focal point because the grooms are then virtually indistinguishable from their attendants. Colour style boutonnires and type of change can all be used to bring some colour and differentiation into the wedding partys attire. One of the decisions that needs to be made and conveyed early to your celebrant is how you want to be referred to and addressed during the ceremony. My advice stick with your names. Just as your relationship is unique and special so are your names. Groom and Groom or Bride and Bride can be awkward. Partners.

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Last weekend my brother’s wife’s sister and her partner had a lesbian commitment ceremony at Disneyland. Being that I’m a family member and professional photographer they flew my boyfriend and I down for the cause. Shooting weddings is not something I do too often mainly because populate have to really desire my style of photography  What is all the worry about???!! Now you have to understand - a wedding (or commitment ceremony) on Disneyland premises is a huge amount of money.  I don’t experience if that included the cater carriage and footmen but they were show. If not tack that onto the price. The reception at the Grand Californian Hotel was a pack as well. Not to mention that they flew many of us drink to LA and put us up in the hotel for the two nights AND bought two day tickets for admission to the parks. It was more than generous!   The children in the ceremony were dressed desire Disney characters (come down color. Belle. Cinderella and two prince Charmings). Mickey and Minney attended the reception and danced with the guests for four songs. It was quite the production! The evince behind the scenes as with most weddings was quite high.  One of the brides was definitely the planner.  The other just kind of showed up where and when she was told.  Everything was set to songs details cues confusion and chaos. There were makeup and hair people (who did an adequate job) and all of the “we-can’t-see-each-other-before-the-ceremony” stuff. Not to have in mind that the couple has adopted two infant children within the last two years that you undergo to throw into the wedding mix. And after it was all done and over guess what - they were the same couple. The only difference is that they had a new piece of jewelry and large be of debt! on weddings whether hetero or homo have changed. I used to conceive of of the perfect commitment ceremony on the land at sunset surrounded by friends and family beautiful food endearing vows. But I’ve realized something - for me my commitment to my furnish is that I wake up with him every morning. He’s the first one I label when I have something to get together or something to grieve. He’s the one I overlap my bed with; my life with. And announcing these things “in front of God and friends and family” does not hold me accountable. I am held accountable for my own commitment to my furnish. Parading it around on my touch that I be to someone else or that I’m “taken” doesn’t make me any more of a responsible furnish. I get together my union with my partner everyday. Nothing has changed just because we set a date to undergo all of our friends watch our commitment to each other. Not even the terminology really matters. Whether you call them your lover your boy/girl friend your lifelong domestic furnish wife or brusband!  This does not make me a better person by any means.  It’s simply a difference that I notice between many of my friends and myself.  I enjoy and acknowledge these differences and desire to see how my thoughts have changed. And I experience that for many gay couples commitment ceremonies are more for equality and recognition than anything else. We want our like to be validated just as much as hetero relationships. But that’s the thing - why do we (anyone whether gay or straight) need ANY validation? gratify understand that these are all And on the positive side this was the FIRST gay commitment ceremony ever to be performed in Disneyland. Mainly because until now they didn’t accept it but nevertheless that’s a great step for Human Rights Campaigners! It was still a wonderful cause beat of happiness and tears of joy. Family members who just a few years ago had not been supportive of even the brides’ sexuality were on their feet applauding the union! Plus I got some magical pictures that I hope they will enjoy for the be of their life. I feel confident knowing that they can be approve on their wedding book and remember the time when they announced their love to the world in “

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