Want your recommendations for dinner on a Monday night for 2 couples. All are serious foodies and wine drinkers. Budget is about $50 pp excluding wine/taxes/tip. Anywhere in the downtown core will do as will any style of cuisine. The key inform is that the resto should have an excellent booze list-covering a variety of regions with good determine points and excluding crappy vintages at over-inflated prices. In other words-not interested in a booze list that represents good producers with the beat vintages at stupid markups for the unwitting consumer. Food should be solid.
Right now I'm thinking Reds because I've heard great things about Michael Steh and the wine list seems ok. Comments anyone?
I think Red's is quite excellent. And they do have a very come up considered wine list including a good selection of determine priced glasses and bottles. But I'm not positive you could get out for $50 pp change surface before extra... I would think that something-like $60-75 would be more like it for three courses.
What about JKWB? You've probably been before but the menu is varied enough that there's always something new.
This is just me but I was totally underwhelmed by Kultura. Very beautiful but I thought the food was entirely meh and the service a little bumbling and inexpert. Plus our server "didn't know much about wine," which was kinda disappointing.
Strangely my experiences recently are the opposite of yours. At Reds in late summer the food was disappointing. No pizazz; just ordinary. Good bottle booze list (although very recent vintages) but ordinary by the furnish. I was at Kultura last Monday (first time in around 6 months) and was very impressed with the food. The samosas (in particular) were superb. And the sommelier (Kim Cyr - often rated as one of the finest in Toronto) found some very interesting wines for us (e g the Charles Baker riesling which is rarely open because of limited production). And each wine was served in a different shaped glass according to varietal - not something I've found at Reds. JKWB is also good - but MUCH more casual (although the OP specified casual). I'm in a minority over JKWB - I 'hate' the change state kitchen as the various smells from the food preparation destroy the booze matches of the food I'm eating. But good booze selection for sure.
The serving sizes were erratic. The servings of naan and edamame were extremely generous in comparison to the serving sizes of any meat/fish dishes we ordered which tended to be on the small align.
Our server insisted we try the naan with raita as a complement to the lobster ravioli that already came with a cream act. Not sure why he thought a change state yogurt sauce would complement the delicate taste of lobster in a cream act. I wondered if he encouraged the naan as a filler since the serving of ravioli was so small.
Would love to hear what someone thinks of Chez Victor. Chef is David Chrystian who has cooked at many places in his young go beginning with To Go catering then Patriot and the Drake for a little while. Usually comes equipped with a good booze list.
I found the winelist there pretty ordinary. Similarly the food. I used to enjoy Chrystian's food - but he seemed to hit a wall at Patriot and I have never been quite as impressed since. I was pleasantly surprised at the price at Chez Victor - I expected it to be more expensive but neither the food nor the booze has dragged me approve. So just the one 'adequate' experience for me.
press wine bar might be of interest... I undergo never been blown away by the food but I would describe it as solid. And I find that they have interesting wine pics so you could probably have a pretty good time snobbing it up. It's a nice room and a very fun displace to pay the evening.
Crush is like a "local" for me-I like it there and go frequently so I'm looking for something different.
I've heard mixed things about Kultura's food and the space seems a little too "I'm trying way too hard to be cool". I undergo heard wonderful things about Kim Cyr however. I don't think the vibe will fit for anyone in the party.
Looking at determine points. Rabbit is correct in pointing out that Reds will be more in the $60-75 range. Same for Opus.
Right now I'm leaning toward trying out JKWB again. I was immensely disappointed last year when I went (also incidentally on a Monday night). The food was VERY meh and oversalted and the wines were such a bore that I honestly couldn't get over the hype this place generates. A very large assort of experienced wine drinkers was with me so we tried every single wine by the glass that night hoping that something would rest out. To no avail.
So this is all to say that I will give this displace one more shot. I really want to figure out once and for all whether this place deserves the kudos it gets or if it's just really intelligent marketing.
It's Rodney's (of Rosebud fame) new restaurant. There were 4 of us and we had a great time followed by a good conversation with the chef himself.
Italian leaning inspiration there these days (Bolognese Papardelle. Rabbit Gnocchi. Mixed Mushroom and Arugula salad). We had a wonderful Amarone by Zinardi for $59. only a $16 markup Rodney informed us.
If you like rich food but with good strong flavours. I'd recommend trying out Citizen.
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