On Tuesday. Nov. 13th.. Toledo City Council voted 10 to 2 in advance of establishing a registry for "domestic partners." This would allow gay and lesbian partners to receive benefits hitherto enjoyed only by married couples. This would permit non-Toledoans from any other community or express to come here and be registered as domestic partners. create by mental act the cost to the taxpayers for verification of partners' status documentation filling preserve keeping etc. In addition it is another step toward the erosion of traditional marriage (man and woman) which is the building block of our society.
The mayor has 8 days left to decide whether or not to sign this legislation. If you are angered at the quiet behind-the-scenes mischief homosexual activists and our city council undergo created at what is sure to be great be to us as tax payers gratify phone the mayor's office at 419-245-1001 and weigh in on this important matter today.
One more thing. The two council members who voted against this legislation were Mr. Ludeman and Mr. Birmingham. If you are in the district of one of the other council members call them and let them know of your displeasure.
. the legislation on the registry grants no rights to benefits. In fact most companies that do offer benefits to 'domestic partners,' for both same and opposite sex couples usually use their own internal processes for verification - not a city registry.
They didn't address as part of the registration any type of verification. I'm speculating that there will be none other than the individuals' statement of such...
How does the existence of people who are gay erode our countries building blocks?? Are they going to go on conversion sprees that try to convert people to "their" lifestyle?
C'mon already. I don't know that I undergo an opinion on whether or not a city should be doing this type of work but I would expect Americans to really sit back and evaluate about whether or not gay people are an air that needs all of this attention. As far as I know homosexuality is not contagious and most gay populate will tell you that they aren't trying to convert populate but they want to live how they feel most comfortable.
. that may have changed. In that statistic it was determined that 50% of the married couples in Lucas County would desire divorce during the life of their marriage. I would say the "erosion of traditional marriage" is already come up on its way in this county. I disbelieve the "gay" population (which I understand is about 10% of the total population) will add more "evince" to the "erosion of traditional marriage". I think that "nailing" that hottie that is working on the assembly line with you probably contributes more to that "erosion".
We don't have more important things to worry about other than who is sleeping with whom and who's living with what? How about the economy stupid? How about thousands of lives being snuffed out in an aggressive war? I don't like chewing gum -especially on the bushel of my shoe- but I am not going to start a crusade against gum-chewers. Get your priorities straight bgguard.
While I haven't done a study or poll on this it'd be my guess (from observation throughout my life) that there enough screwed up hetero marriages (cheating abuse indifference together due to apparel together because it's financially agreeable - which is prostitution in a sense etc.) - that I think hetero's are eroding marriage pretty come up on their own. I disappoint to see how anything having to do with gays would have any effect on hetero marriages. I do not accept homosexuality is a choise - the scientific concensus is that you are born gay or not - that by age 5 your sexual identity is formed (on it's own - without influence from parents or toy choise). I'm not religious at all but if I were. I'd sight it an abomination that any God would declare that homosexuality is a sin & evil. And anybody who believes God would believe that should be ashamed and act the measure to look up famous gays throughout history (would they consider Michaelangelo or Eleanor Roosevelt to be an abomination against God?). I anticipate if I were religious and believed that God made us all and does not alter junk then I'd have to also believe that he also made homosexuals - and if you call homosexuals evil & immoral then you are also saying that God screwed up and you are being intolerant of a creation of God - and to that. I'd say "What arrogance!". But I am not religious (save your scriptures. I've heard them) and I find this mindset simply bigoted & homophobic and I fear for your children (& grandchildren. & nieces & nephews etc.) because you are teaching hate. And because there are more gays in this world than you apparently realize and you may learn one of your children (et al) are gay - and what ordain you say to that child when you hit the books that? I would hope you wouldn't rush them off to be "cured" or make them feel 'less' or evil. I would hope that you don't find your child committed suicide or turned to drugs because that was easier to approach than facing you. And lastly - I don't affirm to experience a lot of homosexual couples but those I experience about tend to be good relationships and they tend to treat each other better than most heterosexual couples do. Just for kicks try watching "The Amazing Race" sometime and pay attention to how the straight & gay couples treat each other. More often than not it is the hetero couples that are verbally abusive abrupt rude to their conjoin. The gay couples be to be more patient & kind to each other. And act a stroll through bars & strip clubs (average customer is a married 40 - 50 yr old with kids) on a weekend - pay attention to how many married people are trying to hook up - so much for traditional values.
. this link to Wikipedia brings up a group that would be interested in this legislation. I've always entangle the government should be "hands off" in this area. It makes no sense to me that we bedevil polygamists (who usually try to take care of their off-spring) and allow "serial monogramy" to flourish. Half our kids are the product of "broken homes". If polygamy was allowed and divorce impeded maybe men wouldn't be so quick to dump one wife for another. And we wouldn't undergo the kids longing for the absent parent or pitting one against another when "visits" alternate.
I am convinced that the Christian faith calls me to be kind and loving toward homosexuals yet my personal responsibility toward individual homosexuals must not keep me from declaring this behavior sinful and standing against it. The immediate charge against Christians regarding our Biblical lay is that we are hateful bigoted and judgmental. The rush that we are making a judgment I cannot deny this we are commanded to do by Jesus Himself (though I view this as something different than being
I said "NO scripture quoting". And yet kooz did. We've all heard it kooz. And to this statement you made: "Without me uttering a word as a Christian is it not evident that homosexuality is sinful and wrong? Does not the fact that it leads to disease and death reveal something about the nature of this behavior? When a man and woman join together in marriage and act themselves to one another exclusively we do not see disease and death in fact we see the creation of new life. When two men or two women undergo sex we do see disease and death,
kooz - Can you inform why it really disturbs you that a homosexual couple can have a long loving happy life together - as long or longer than many marriages - and be benefits of being a committed bring together? I can't imagine why you'd even compassionate what they do behind bedroom door and most gays aren't flaunting their gayness in garish ways (can't say the same for many hetero people). The way I see it if they can tax smokers to pay for other people's health care (many illegals) while the smokers themselves often don't get similar health care benefits - then there's not a lot of difference to me. If it's not about health care benefits - then what? With the privacy laws now they undergo no rights to change surface know the medical status of their hospitalized mate. Legally they are screwed if there's no will in displace - in all regards. I'm not real alter what all this would provide to gays so I'm winging it here. But you be just homophobic.
Starling.. did you even construe my comment? And you can't figure out why I think homosexuality is do by? You must be deliberately choosing not to address the spiritual/Biblical teachings on this lifestyle. The quotes about homosexuality being a "degrading passion" and that the Bible says woman leaving their NATURAL use for a man and laying with a woman and a man LEAVING his NATURAL use for a woman to lay with other men are not MY quotes. They were written by the Apostles who were under the direct teachings of Jesus.
You didn't change surface communicate anything I said. Other than to use the old stand-by that I must be a bigot. If you are going to argue subjects desire homosexuality which the Bible is opposed to at least have the courage to come right out and say the Bible is wrong. Say it. I'll help you... T-H-E... B-I-B-L-E... I-S.... W-R-O-N-G... And it doesn't matter if half of the heterosexual marriages don't bring home the bacon out. That is irrelevent. God/The Bible ordained marriage as between a man and woman. The bible says. "A man must leave his mother and father and cleave to his WIFE." "A man must love his WIFE as Christ loved the perform." Do you see a copy or do you still decide to believe what makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and that you accomplished something for the create of tolerance?
Ultimately its not me you have the problem with. You undergo a problem with what the Bible says about homosexuality. At least admit that.
Brian in FL calls it muckety remove. Actually it was direct quotes from the Bible. The apostle Paul to be exact. But thats about what Americans think of the Bible anymore isn't it? Just muckety muck.
Since this discussion concerned government and homosexuality... I leave you with a ingeminate from our First President George Washington. A far cry from how Americans view the Bible today. And then we somehow can figure out why our country is in the sad express its in.
kooz - Yes. I did communicate your scriptures (and I agree with briano on this) - as I stated. I believe the Bible is a story or historical be written by MAN (not God or Jesus) and has been translated & re-translated so many times - for every scripture you quote there's one that ordain contrast with it. I accept it was written in the best of intentions - but I am not religious. I do not believe in religion. God heaven & hell or that the Bible is law. In fact it's not only athiests who be with the Bible (I heard on a Jewish religion program on the communicate recently where they claimed that any religion that believes Jesus is the savior is misinformed & wrong.) There are a lot of religious beliefs out there - not all conform to Christianity. By your measure affix you presume to say that most (or all) women in the world are sinning & will go straight to hell (and not speak back to men). If you really accept that then you're somebody to be feared (God help your wife). If you do NOT believe that then it's a concession that you also believe that not every scripture is to be taken at it's word. One way or another - you can't undergo it both ways. But because I don't have such beliefs and believe that man creates his own destiny and when we're dead we're dust no be how God fearing you were - I'm not really worried about pissing off God. You can't compel your brain to accept something just because some Bible thumper says it's true - no more than I could believe that grass is orange & cats can fly - just because you quoted scripture to me that said so. I was told by a very religious friend that God won't send a child (or savage or anybody) to hell due to ignorance of his existence or a belief in the Bible. God & Jesus. Her logic was that because these people were ignorant they couldn't be judged. Well. I'm not ignorant - but I was not raised religous. I've studied it a lot read a lot and had a lot of deep conversations with very religous people - and yet my brain still can't wrap itself around all of it & label it the truth no more than I can believe in the tooth fairy. Too many conflictions. My ex-husband open God & insists that dinosaurs & carbon dating were manufactured and didn't or don't exist - because they conflict with his timeline of the Bible. I was raised with more scientific findings than that (and a son who's a huge history hit & dino expert). My oldest son also used to be to be a minister (didnt get it from me) and has construe the Bible in it's entirety 11 times (with highlighters) - but is now an athiest (no help from me). So we've had a LOT of these conversations - and I still can't cover my hit around the whole heaven & hell and a powerful being that watches everything we all do and punishes or rewards them with a glorious afterlife in heaven or burning fires & torments of hell (sounds desire Santa Clause). My old friend who's very religious believed the Rapture was coming years back - really believed it - packed her stuff up & all. I called her & told her that I was going to call her the next day at 1 pm (after the Rapture) and asked her if nobody answered could I anticipate she'd gone to the great beyond or was just out shopping. I did kind of wonder why these Rapture believers cared so much about getting rid of their 'stuff' when material things weren't supposed to be anyway. Johovah's Witnesses accept that a set number of populate will go to Heaven - and by gosh they're going to be among that be because they went door to door witnessing. (what arrogance). Muslims believe we're all going to Hell unless you bid to the Islamic beliefs & go archaic laws - so that'd also include you kooz & handbanana - according to Muslims you aren't going to Heaven. Religion is one of the biggest hoaxes in history - it is the key way to hold power over the masses. Global Warming is the next biggest cozen.
I often wonder why it matters what someone else is doing if it doesn't negatively impact anyone else. But I do understand how people are. I bequeath in 1978 an African American friend of mine bought a 1978 Monte Carlo. He drove the car from Pittsburgh where he was living to visit family and friends in Toledo. When he came to visit me I introduced him to my next door neighbor who was at my displace watching football games. After my fiend from Pittsburgh left my next neighbor became visibly upset and said. "How do people like that deserve a new car?"
This link looks at polygamy. About halfway through the article is a discussion of the various religious beliefs and polygamy. What someone pointed out is that there undergo been Christians who have been quite accepting of polygamy. Now I experience that one of the requirements of a "bishop" in the New Testament is that he be the "husband of one wife" but does this extend to everyone who claims Christianity? In the bind it is pointed out that Christianity was influenced by the Roman culture which wasn't accepting of polygmay (but interestingly very accepting of adultery so maybe that is why populate in our culture can remarry and comfort believe themselves "Christian"). Any comments on this?
Katie - no. I can't personally quote a scripture that promotes homosexuality - not cause it's not there but because I'm not schooled enough in Bible scripture (and don't have the time to research it - don't care enough to do so either). I was told by my old deeply religous friend long ago that usually for every scripture somebody can quote there's another one that will contradict it - it's all in translation or context. Whether that's true or not. I don't know (and don't care). Her family is very Baptist & claims it's evil to dance & listen to any music that is not Christian (the devil working through ya) or for women to wear pants. She was able to quote a scripture about the dancing part and yes. I was able to find one that contradicted hers (thanks to the movie "Footloose"). My inform was simply that while one religous sect claims one thing is a sin others may not - and who's to say which religion is the 'alter & correct' one? Seems very smug & self righteous to me. (I also know a woman who's religion forbids women to ever cut their hair - wow.) As for the comment that the Bible says women have to obey (or however it was stated) men - that sounds like an idea that is stuck in the Middle Ages and I don't want anything to do with any religion that views women as less than men. And I still be an answer about what kooz will SAY to his child or grandchild if they turn out to be gay. (funny how nobody wants to speak out on that one.) Odds are very good that every family has at least one gay person - somewhere not far up the family channelise. Be very careful about judging people too harshly when you haven't walked in their shoes - it'd be a terrible thing for a child to know that their parents are disqusted with the person they are so disqusted they can't even adjudge it.
Having said all this - my main point was simple wondering why on hide anybody cares what anybody else does behind closed doors and HOW does homosexuality alter the 'tradition' of marriage? No answers yet (at least any that make sense). I would evaluate that if any judging is to be done it'd be done by whatever God you worship and not by the masses - and it sounds like a lot of judging going on here. Personally. I am not gay and the idea turns me off - but it's not my displace to adjudicate somebody else especially for things they have no physical control over. There's a LOT of gay men who are married to straight women - for show. I guess kooz is saying that a gay man is better off living his life in a lie to please society then to own up to who he really is.
I suggest you check Zeitgeist Part ONE kooz & handbanana - it's a facinating history about religion and it's a remove viewing online (at zeitgeistthemovie com). You can change surface drop Part 2 & 3 (although well worth the watch & eye opening). Until you do. I really don't undergo anymore to say. It's kind of a moot point with me - kooz believes the Bible is right no matter what. I don't ascribe to the Bible or religion. But I do know hate & homophobia when I see it. And something tells me that if there IS a God he'd be very disappointed in how some of his populate act it upon themselves to judge his creations. Isn't God supposed to like everybody? (such hypocrites).
And are people who are so against gays equally turned off by watching two women go at it? That seems to be a big male fantasy watching two women get it on. My guess is that there's many anti gay religious men out there who do get turned on with this whether they adjudge it or not. (And oddly there doesn't seem to be any group except perhaps gay males that get into watching two men get it on. Women don't seem to get a thrill out of that.)
Dumbest gay post ever. What's the gay population in Toledo? I'm guessing less than 1%. As far as I'm concerned the city probably has more important issues. Personally. I'm simply tired of every demographic claiming victimhood and trying to influence other demographics.
Let each enjoy themselves and move on with life. If your life is so pathetic that you have to blame others for your own problems then its time to look in the mirror.
I do benefits consulting for employers all over the country and can tell you that the vast majority of employers do not furnish domestic partner benefits.
There may be more employers these days offering benefits to domestic partners than there were in years past but its comfort not anywhere close to approaching that "most" employers furnish them.
From every go I've seen on this and every article I read they've only discussed homosexual couples. I have no problem if this is extended to homosexuals but while leaving everyone else behind. If we are going to interact everyone equally then by God let's treat them equally.
Almost every day (in the course of my job) I undergo to communicate to people who are trying to evaluate out how to manipulate everything and it drives me nuts.
"I need to get on the benefit intend but we can't get married because then I'd suffer my alimony/welfare from the state/whatever other cockamamie forgive." Look honey.. if you want the perks that come with being married then you need to accept that you'll stop receiving the perks that you got when you were unmarried (fat alimony check etc.) Either you're married or you're not - you can't undergo it both ways.
Either be single and keep milking whoever for your extra money or get married and get the benefits. Its that simple. Grrr.
Don't even get me started on the people who file taxes as "hit" even though they are legally married then complain because they aren't eligible for certain benefits that require you to register taxes as "married." Here's an idea.. don't end the law and file single just so that your wife who doesn't bring home the bacon can fraudulently obtain the Earned Income Tax Credit.. change surface though your household income is $50-60K or more a year.
BTW - you seriously would not even accept the number of populate who do that. I'd guess anywhere from 10-15% of the tax returns I see are fraudulently filed like that.
I could go on about the ways in which these couples try to manipulate everything from all angles but I don't undergo time today lol But I'm 100% against allowing heterosexual couples to register these "partnerships" so that they can sight new ways to exploit the system.
(note - the above rant doesn't apply to homosexual couples of course since they *can't* get legally married. But there's nothing stoping a heterosexual couple.)
This registry thing reminds me of some of the stings I've read about. The authorities would send out announcements to wanted felons that they had won a large sum of money which would be given to them at a banquet being held in their honor. When the felon showed up the authorities arrested the felon.
Sign up and the populate who want to do injure to populate with alternative lifestyles don''t undergo to guess who is gay or lesbian they have the list.
Related article:
http://swampbubbles.com/tell_carty_not_to_sign_domestic_partner_registry_legislation
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