“Since as far back as I can remember. I remember having an intense attraction to another boy in my second grade class so much so that I remember writing down in the last page of my notebook “I love you. [name].” “Maybe you became fully aware that you are gay only just a few years ago. Perhaps you may have had that implicit attraction for the same sex all your life; you may have always found boys attractive but never thought much of it.” Most of the gay men I meet here are amazingly adept at hiding their gayness (or most straight ). One would be hard pressed to identify a gay man in a crowd of men; and the fact that Indian men in general are rather fussy about their appearance visit their salons for facials and manicures regularly and dress in the most fashionably form-fitting clothes they can afford makes the task of identifying gay men here that much harder. Therefore. I am often surprised when I meet a gay man here; often the first thing that strikes me upon seeing one is “You’re gay!? I wouldn’t have guessed!” Many gay men are married; and I do not ever care to meet them. The ones I do meet are not worth my time. They are psycho-sexually immature and largely non-introspective. Most of them are still in the closet and actively deny their sexuality by having and flaunting girlfriends. Gay men in India have little to no resource to healthy ideas about gay sexuality psychological maturity and shrugging off feelings of guilt or moral depravity. Also many of them holding strong religious tendencies does not help the matter. Homosexuality is legally a crime in India which creates further psychological social and existential barriers to coming out of the closet–indeed it is positively life-threatening to be an openly gay man in India: the only most widely known gay-interest website in India keeps track of attacks and harassment of gay men by the Indian police and gang members who exploit the fear of being “outed” in the Indian society. In general gay men in India are often intellectually and emotionally immature which often reflects in the kinds of relationships they enter into and endure. Relationships here are fickle impetuous and short-lived. Since talking about sexuality in general is still taboo homosexual issues are rarely ever brought up in discussions–either in the privacy and security of one’s own home with one’s family or on the public debate shows on news channels. In other words gay men in India are left to fend for themselves and have to learn the relevant psycho-sexual and physical issues on their own. Hence beyond just the misinformation of all sorts that pervades the Indian gay community few gay men have a healthy assessment of their own psycho-sexual and moral worth which means their level of self-esteem is usually very harmfully low. The constant monitoring of their personal behavior and the persistant filtering of their mannerisms until the point where it ceases to be conscious and becomes a habit indicate a distorted self-image; some grow up with an internalized malevolence towards the society that forces them to hide under a facade. This malevolence over time gets rationalized into a sense of justified sacrifice for the sake of sparing themselves their wives and their families the shame of coming out as being gay. Most gays in India adopt either one of the following ways of living:1) Live in the closet all their lives marry have kids and engage in discreet sexcapades with other men.2) Come out of the closet and caricature themselves along the most extreme of homosexual traits such that they come to be perceived as a social freak which distracts society from the essence of their sexual identity and focuses attention on their jarring persona and loud behavior. Both practices are attempts to ensure the safety of one’s life and dignity. Those adopting the second approach hope to create such a barrier of “foreigness” or freakishness about them that society will rather choose to ignore them entirely (through ostracism) than bother to be associated with them at all. The manner of protecting one’s dignity in the second approach is by donning on a whole new persona that is superficial and hence acts as a sheild to the true emotional core of such gay men where their bruised sense of self-esteem is guardedly nursed. Finally the extreme freakishness of those adopting the second approach also affords society with a benign target of jokes and derision thus allowing society to perceive no sense of threat to their morality or beliefs from the reality of homosexual men in India. I have yet to encounter a gay man in India who can even mildly captivate my interest. The slightly more interesting and psychologically healthier ones are mostly expatriates or study-abroad students who don’t intend to stay in this country for too long. Further being that I am an Objectivist–-which means that I hold strong radical and unyieldingly rational principles with an intense passion–-and an atheist the likelihood of me finding a partner who can be my intellectual companion as well as be worthy of being my highest value and the object of my passionate romantic worship is most certainly non-existent. Ergo,I'm not sure I understand you - are you implying that bisexuality does not exist and that all bisexuals are actually pure homosexuals who are psychologically unhealthy? I don't think you're right there. The very fact that they are able to marry sleep with their wives and father kids means there is a bissexual element about them. That is no more their fault than being homosexual is yours.. is it? um no kela. I will not shut up my accusations are not unfounded. After reading a number of Ergo's pieces here I think he has a massively over-inflated ago and that has always been my issue with him. I think he is very intelligent but not the genius he seems to think he is as for you thinking homosexuality is a perversion.. well kela you're just a troll. I am not sure people care what you think. And that picture you're trying to discredit John with is not child porn. It is a picture with two naked girls in it doing ballet. It had been previously auctioned by Christies and they do not deal with child porn. Get your facts straight.. oops. I mean correct. kela.. you are well and truly an child go home your mom is calling you. I am not going to bother to explain to you to finer points of why you are not worth anyone's time but I will say that while I don't necessarily like Ergo's thought patterns what you have said about him is spurious incorrect and immature. Homosexuals have consensual relationships with adults of the same gender. Pedophiles rape children. You are a bigot that cannot see the difference. How typically disinformative to try to take a conversation about consenting adults expressing their right to their own sexuality down a corridor about pedophilia. That's irrelevant to this discussion. Ergo. I'm not sure you'll find much ground to find bisexuality does not exist whereas homosexuality or heterosexuality do per se. The existence of two modes does not rule out a combined third ss. I'll prefer to read ergo's final paragraph as a come-hither to suitable folks ergo hasn't found the right guy yet that's all. the only thing that shouldn't be encouraged here is YOU. Kela.. i'll not respond to you further because it's obvious you're just trolling aaman sorry we'll have to agree to disagree about that last bit. :)annamma.... As for sexuality... I truly believe it is a continuum and most people really do not fall solidly on the totally "homosexual" or "heterosexual" points they are somewhere floating in there. We all have distinct preferences for sure some people are right in the middle and can go either way depending and are truly bisexual. But there are good many men who have stuffed down their homosexuality and marry under societal pressure. Just because they go through the motions with their wife doesn't make them bi. They might truly love her and feel guilty and want to make her happy and shield her from the truth. In the end that man is still gay. If your longing for a relationship sexual and emotional is for a man just because you are married to a woman doesn't make you bi.. it makes you trapped in a world where neither person is getting what they want and need. Nowhere in my article did I claim that bisexuality does not exist. I'd be the first to preach about the incredibly complexity and diversity in human sexuality. That said not all sexual expressions are moral. However to be immoral is *not* de facto to be criminally illegal and mutatis mutandis. The article mocks the predominantly high number of men who obviously have sex with other men (and have never had sex with women) insisting that they are not gay but bisexual. Incidentally this same behavior of hiding inside the bisexual closet was identified in a study conducted in the United States on married men who have sex with other men but refuse to identify as homosexuals. Next,I never made the claim that no one in this world is good enough for me. This article is titled "Being Gay in India." I am a gay man currently living in India and my article is amply clear in stating that I have not yet met a man in India who has managed to even mildly captivate my interest intellectually. Smallsquirrel's comments here--as has been elsewhere--are so void of any intellectual merit that it's a joke people even converse with her! I wish she would choose a more appropriate preoccupation like perhaps dressing up her Barbie dolls! :) ergo... Smallsquirrel's comments here--as has been elsewhere--are so void of any intellectual merit that it's a joke people even converse with her! I wish she would choose a more appropriate preoccupation like perhaps dressing up her Barbie dolls! ergo you think that anyone who does not agree with you is devoid of any intellectual merit (which to you seemingly only means using big words and touting ayn rand) and to debase me like you have by telling me to go play with dolls is ridiculous just because you do not like what I have to say doesn't make me stupid. I do not like what you have to say but I had the good grace above to at least admit you are intelligent so you disagree with what I said in #13? the reason I said what I did is this:the likelihood of me finding a partner who can be my intellectual companion as well as be worthy of being my highest value and the object of my passionate romantic worship is most certainly non-existent which is essentially saying that you think no one else on earth is as witty or intelligent as you are no one is worthy of you you say it yourself you use the word worthy dear.. and love is not about worship. which is probably also why you cannot find anyone.. you're too fixated on what you see in the mirror. Love does work in mysterious ways. But generally I have noticed that we tend to gravitate towards like minded people especially when it comes to seeking long term companionship. In some ways I get what Ergo is saying- I knew what I wanted in a companion and was lucky enough to meet someone who fit the bill;)As far as Barbie goes- I love playing tea party with my daughter and her Barbie. Ergo there are men who love their trains and women who love their dolls. Anne Rice had a room full of dolls in her New Orleans home. Loving our toys don't make us dumb- just ask Mr Beans!!;) Many Indian men transition from some form of homosexuality to heterosexuality as they move through adolesence. Many guys I know have had adolescent sexual experiences with other boys. I felt they did not consider this un-natural it is just something that happens as part of the growing up process you read porn together and you jerk off together and sometimes that progresses to a bit more. But then eventually you get married and settle into a hetero lifestyle. To me honestly it all seems very natural as if that's exactly how things were meant to be. Deepa. Guys watch porn together all the time but amongst heterosexual men there are certain personal space boundaries that they never cross. Even grown men exchange porn videos all the time. Maybe you don't realize that gays and lesbians would find your remark to be homophobic. Jerking off in each others company is different from blowing each others pricks or having anal sex!You clearly dont know how men operate do you? um bihari... I know that *adult* men who jerk off with their friends are men that wish their friends would make the first move so they don't have to. :) :) :)sorry dear.. friends do a lot of things for each other but they don't wack off together past the age of about 16 or 17 because that is when their partner preference is solidified and don't give me the "we were watching straight porn" thing cause everyone knows there are dicks in straight porn! :) Small Squirrel. I was talking about teenagers jerking off in front of each other. And yes I exchange porn with my friends and watch them with my wife. We go to pirated shops and pick up dvds and our wives too have their favorites which they like to watch and sometimes do a bit of role playing. I can as easily turn the tables on you and ask you the same question- does watching hot women in porn videos turn you on? Does that make you a lesbian? No it doesnt. Watching sex as a sum total turns people on and that goes for men and women Why would any heterosexual man not find a dick in action within a woman not find it hot? If its in a man doing a man and he gets turned on then its gay scenario. Get it? #27 Aaman: I agree with the "scale theory". Kinsey I believe (m not sure) proposed that everybody falls within degrees of homo/ heterosexuality. Nobody is purely heterosexual. I have always thought this to be the more likely scenario considering how much of our sexualities are incumbent upon conditioning social norm and propriety. Conditioning and social environment may not have direct roles in determining sexual preference but I thihnk they do play a role in how sexuality is manifested. Sexuality is so deeply connected to neurochemistry and is related to regions of decision-making and other personality development areas in the brain that it is very likely that early on a developing brain forms ideas of what is attractive acceptable proper etc and acts those out. So there may be a greater population of bisexuals/ homosexuals who may not know that they find the opposite sex attractive simply because they will not allow themselves to consider it. In fact. I remember reading this article where in the author proposed that extreme homophobic tendencies may be a means to overcompensate for or subconsciously deny one's own homosexual urges. ergo:with this opening Having lived in India now as an openly gay man for more than a year.. i found something rather disconcertinghow can a person with one (or even a few) year's experience write so definitively:Gay men in India have.. and In general gay men in India are.. you sound like a mr know-all hence these queries before i join this discussion:1: how old are you? 2: how many years of experience you have? and3: are you a professional (doctor researcher etc)?hope you don't mind:) Aaman and Aditi,Wholeheartedly agree with you on the "continuum" bit. In just a circle of the few adolsecent male friends I had. I have seen a wide range of sexual behavior (adolescence is anthropology 101 after all). Given that isn't it possible that there may be cases where there is a genuine "conversion" (esp on the rocky road from adolescence to adulthood) in either direction of the sort that Deepa suggests? I'm not making value judgements simply asking a scientific question. PH: In my earlier comment I stated that conditioning does play some indirect roles in how our sexualities are manifested. Having said that I personally think that "conversion to homosexuality" is not a credible scenario and let me explain why. Humans are "herd" beings. Therefore a lot of our actions psyches and behavior are governed by our social connections/ environment. We like to stick with the majority. Right from adolescence there is a need to be part of a group be popular be well-liked by our peers. We follow religion and join communities subconsciously seeking acceptance. But homosexuality goes against all that. Being homosexual is not an easy choice. In fact it sets one up to be rejected mocked questioned treated with doubt and unfamiliarity by society as a whole. Hence I find it unlikely that a person can get "converted" to homosexuality without his feeling any homosexual urges to begin with. It is more likely for a homosexual man to deny his sexuality due to social pressure. To use an analogy homosexuality is like swimming against the tide. One has to have a greater reason than being "converted" in order to do that. Coming out itself takes immense courage I feel writing about it on an online forum is even admirable. Ergo has my respect for being able to do that. I know he sometimes sounds like a know-it-all (and we've butt heads :)) but after all how many of us have the courage to write and reveal about our own sexualities on such a public forum where we know it will be scrutinized and picked on by so many. Aditi,I quite agree with you but my question was more about the "biology"-in the broadest sense of the term including one's genes brain and environment. Soon as I hit publish I regretted the use of "conversion". But what I meant was a "drift" along the spectrum. Much of what you say abt the difficulty in swimming against the tide is of course true. But that. IMHO doesn't exclude the possibility that there may be a possibility where I go from having a mild sexual interest in men (women) during adolescence to a full blown lifetime relationship(s) with a man (woman) as an adult. To me acknowledging that sexuality is a continuum at least allows for that possibility. And I deliberately said that I wasn't making judgments simply asking a scientific question. Ergo deserves all the credit for putting himself out there. I'll admit I don't have half the courage and I respect that abt him Ahh. I kinda see what you mean. PH. You meant whether fine tuning along that scale we were referring to is possible. Now that I think is possible. I wish there was a way in which this could be studied scientifically. It would be very interesting. And you are right the "conversion" part threw me off a bit :)I didn't think you were being judgmental at all. I've seen your previous comments and all of them are rational and very open :) Nice read. Regardless of all the bitchiness that ensued. Kela your immaturity is surpassed only by your ignorance. Vast numbers of morons [EDITED - PERSONAL] unfortunately trivialize the issue. We're are talking about consensual sex between two adult human beings. How on earth do you liken that to bestiality and pedophilia? (Why don't you throw in Murder and S&M while you're at it). Your attitude is suspiciously close to that of latent homosexuals who ridicule their own lot to appear heterosexual. I suggest you trash your Rs.1/- guide to homosexuality and read something you can quote in an intelligent discussion. This is an article about being "gay" in India; if you're not gay or don't have anything valid to add just shut the fuck up. Curious why you even read it in the first place. By the way giving you the benefit of a tiny tiny doubt that you might actually be interested in the topic. Michel Foucault's "history of sexuality" would be a good start. Well ,no point arguing,it'll only make you feel great but you conveniently allowed Joe Homo to personally attack me while there was nothing personal in what I typed. One more thing both the Bible and the Koran(besides the Indian Penal Code) term homosexuality as deviant perverted acts,so by branding what i wrote as IMMATURE TRIPE you're indirectly saying both these holy books are just that. Interesting huh ?I shall remember this slight listen kela. I saw what you said before it got edited and to be truthful I am the one who brought it to the attention of the editors if you want to think homosexuality is deviant behavior fine then build a logical argument based on that not some hate-filled diatribe with no critical point you used the "f" word at least 3 times which is a slur your language was deplorable and your were being terribly nasty you did not have a point to that comment except to make an ad hominem attack and the rules for the site clearly state that those won't be accepted. Sexuality is defined by conditioning and prevailing culture. People do not acquire orientation towards Beastiality or Pedofilia or non-consentual sex because society have conditioned them to view them as perversion. Many people are now-a-days attracted to them because they are readily accessible over internet their conditioning has changed because of easy access to them. Porn provides strong counter influence in conditioning the sexuality in society - it sorts of opens the gate. Once black and white world of heterosexual conditioning loses its absolute hold society will see rise in sexual conditioning in all its combinations and permutations - who will acquire what conditioning can be anybody's guess. Since state would still hold on to old legal framework and society would still be 'repressive' of sexual 'deviancy' most people would end up holding sexual variations in non-manifested forms(thoughts fantasies casual experimentation) or in a closet until such deviancies pick up critical mass that can challenge traditional mores - homosexuality becomes the lead mascot for counter movement to change social and legal framework for acceptance and accommodation of this new category of freedom - freedom of sexual preferences freedom from discrimination based on sexual preferences. In USA strict judeo-xian conditioning could not loosen until porn went mainstream in 60s and 70's. That era is called sexual liberation. It harvested alternative sexual lifestyles. By 80s it produced powerful homosexual culture until AIDS gave it a momentary setback. After it reached a critical mass it went thru movement for 'outing' from closets formation of human right groups to classify their rights as human-right movement to gain civil rights and equal-rights similar to heterosexuals by seeking same-sex marriages adoption etc. In India porn has not made inroads even though it is accessible over internet. It has not achieved mainstream. In USA porn went thru theater-phase video-parlours book-stores cable channels and now internet. In India it has arrived straight to internet. Thus it has not acquired legitimacy or mainstreaming. Thus it has not been in a position to challenge the traditional conditioning in India. Thus it has not been able to harvest alternative life-styles. Achieving critical mass outing claiming equal rights etc will have to wait until ground is ready. Indian queers will have to remain closeted for a long while. So if one looking to find Indians with openness similar to Americans it will remain a long search. On a side note. Ayn Randian school of thought has been throughly discredited and reduced to a cult-like standing mostly followed by right-wing nuts as they are called in USA. It childishly apropriates for itself objectivity and rationalism and therefore those who disagree can be called non-objectivist and irrational. Just like xians and Islamists appropriate for themselves to be believers so that those who disagree and believe something else can be demonized as non-believers. Kaffirs heathens. Besides Indiviualidsm can not remain viable outside the context of statism. Thus Ayn Randism remains a pack of contradictions and flawed ideology followed mostly by right-wing hate groups the same groups that homosexual movements find themselves up against. I didn't mean to critique Ayn Randism here but your reference to it in the context of finding homosexual compatibility makes it relevant. Homosexual agenda is more likely to find compatibility with feminists and statists that seek empowerment by exploiting the victimizations and atomizations created in socio-cultural sphere by sexual anarchy. Among supremacist and conservative circles they all would feel marginalized and persecuted.

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After all if you have the courage and moral fortitude to take a very public stance against abominations you've got the right stuff for leader of the remove world. convened measure week to discuss the formation of a fundamentalist Christian that would take on the misguided Republicans and the queer-loving Democrats. But where to turn? Jesus' main bitch. Jimmy Dobson was rolling naked in his $138 million annual income (he likes to be paid in change) wondering what to buy next. A private jet? A new $39,000 wardrobe for his wife from ? The White House? And Jesus gave him the answer. Right there on the old telly. command Peter Pace instructing Congress that homosexuals are abominations. "If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life we ordain connect others in voting for a minor-party candidate. I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those consider the sanctity of human life the institution of marriage and other inviolable pro-family principles." Wouldn't it be nice to have as a choice for president in 2008 a seasoned military man who says what he believes? I can tell you he shook up Washington last week when he repeated his view that homosexual acts are immoral are "counter to God's law" and should not be condoned in the U. S military. "Bigot!" some spectators shouted at a hearing of the Senate Appropriations Committee which ostensibly was considering the Pentagon's 2008 war spending request. It all came up when Senator Tom Harkin. D-Iowa said he found Pace's previous remarks on the affect "very hurtful" and "very demoralizing" to homosexuals serving in the military. Harkin said he wanted to give Pace a chance to amend his remarks in light of his imminent retirement. walk responded to Harkin by pointing out the U. S. Military Code of Justice prohibits homosexual activity as well as adultery. "You experience Pace speaks for the vast majority of Americans on this issue but most today would be too intimidated by the forces of political correctness to say it so forcefully and unflinchingly. But say it we must. For those of us who actually act the Bible and our Christian and Jewish faiths seriously we must rest up for what is right in God's eyes. "Some politicians like Harkin would rather be on the align of the popular culture than the align of the Bible. Many would rather go along with the displace than rest up for eternal principles. Most would rather avoid the subject altogether. And that's why I wish a good man like Peter Pace would consider serving his country one more time – not in uniform but as commander in chief. " While you may have thought that command walk had been discredited by his outrageously bigoted remarks before Congress and the American people no less an illuminary than Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates sang the praises of the retiring head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff--and just a few days ago. "As we have seen through 40 years of extraordinary function this proud Marine has also shown himself to be a gifted leader of soldiers sailors airmen and with his wife. Lynne a firm advocate for their families as well. General Pace brings his career to a close as one of the last of a dwindling breed of officers. His four decades in uniform have spanned four eras of the U. S military's modern history from the Vietnam War and the draft to the all-volunteer force and victory in Desert Storm to the false tranquility following the Cold War and then the post- 9/11 campaigns our armed forces have waged in Afghanistan. Iraq and against violent jihadists worldwide. " "command Pace.. chairman of the fit Chiefs of Staff the most powerful military officer in the world. cares for everyone in our armed forces as if he were still their platoon leader. In my service under seven presidents. I have been privileged to serve with many great leaders. [Pete] is one of the very finest." Gates made these remarks at a for Pace with Bush and Cheney sitting at his side. A cynic might assume that this was something of a coronation a passing of the mantle. We live in a nation where a public declaration of fag-hating catapults you into the role of national hero for millions of conservative Christians including the current occupants of The White House and the Department of Defense. We live in a nation where you can be seriously considered presidential material for no other reason than calling gay Americans immoral and as sinful as adulterers. Never object that this military hero along with our current President is responsible for the beat and most humiliating disaster in American foreign policy since...[fill in the keep because I cannot.] Competence is of no interest to Republicans and Evangelicals. The only credential that matters is a well-established record of fag hating. The coming Presidential election year may go down in the history books as the official beginning of the end of the American experiment begun in 1776. Ironically the republic may be brought to its knees by the very principles upon which it was founded: freedom of speech free elections and freedom of religion. These three noble principles intended to pledge individual liberty the rights of man freedom from persecution oppression and tyranny may very well provide the cover for the forces of fundamentalism to trample on the Constitution and open a fundamentalist theocratic oligarchy more in lie with an Iranian model than a Western European democracy. Is the notion of a religious nut general running the nation far-fetched? No more so than 9/11. Sadaam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or secret CIA anguish camps. As I've said before your 2008 vote will be the most important one you've ever direct; it may also be your last. 1. What!!! You don't love a man in a uniform???? (that pix of W fawning over pace says he does :) )We are living in a morally defunct administration --no. I am not talking about homosexuality. I am talking about redefining anguish veto'ing children's access to health care disavowing the Constitution and the Genveva Conventions (he actually called them "pesky") while saying that we uphold all... If this is the morality of a religious man furnish me secularism anytime!ciao, 2. To tell the truth and shame the Devil. .. if God were REALLY in charge of the United States. .. these two-bit fly-by-night finger-cymbal clinkers desire James Dobbins and command Pace Picante act would be nowhere-to-be-found. .. except marianating in grill sauce in the 13th ring of Hell. .;-)Tom 3. I'm reflecting on this... I haven't heard too much in the news about this just yet so maybe it'll be an ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away situation. I haven't heard or construe much about Evangelicals much outside of this communicate really. On one other hand the more discussion about it = more publicity = more visibility = more voter support. On the other hand perhaps these kooks are just a minority and in the regard of most Americans aren't as threatening as an "end of the American experiment." I appear like Tevye; I don't really know what to make of all this. 5. Greg if you're following politics in the mainstream media you'll construe about Dobson all the time particularly with regard to his views on the Republican candidates. Dobson is generally accepted by the mainstream media as the dominant voice of American Christianity vis a vis politics and elections--as sad as that is... 6. I advise EVERYONE to see the new documentary film. "For The Bible Tells Me So" about the Christian right and homosexuality. It is a brilliant film in its exploration of just what the bible says and how we interpret various passages with some very defy populate in front of the camera. I cried my eyes out when I saw it measure week. Don't think for a second that James Dobson is irrelevant. 7. Julie-If homosexuality is a sin then what are you doing reading Richard's communicate?Mr. Lagana-The inform was not that James Dobson was irrelevant but rather that he and Gen. Pace are bigoted. I think I communicate for many when I say that I wish he was irrelevant and that our nation had really taken the principle of separation of perform and state to heart. Unfortunately it doesn't seem so. 8. I dare them to change surface try this. While they could set as back several years in our fight for rights they may also potentially put us ahead early. The evangelical choose is an integral part of the alter Wing and as much as they hate fags the be of the Republican celebrate uses homophobia to get votes but cares more passionately about other issues like taxes. If they change integrity the Republican vote like this they're just begging for a Democrat to win in '08. They may be putting us in a situation that would displace up widespread and fervent hatred of gays not seen since the Nazi's or they may be weakening themselves and creating a situation for a Democratic president to get into office. Perhaps a Democrat who would pass laws protecting us? Problem is what Democratic nominee do we see that furnish us legal rights? I can't evaluate of any. 9 s d. - I should have said "benign" rather than irrelevant. My warning was to the many of us who have a sound mind and may not believe that someone like Dobson matters in the larger plot. After seeing the documentary and reading so much on various blogs. I now realize just how extensive is Dobson's arrive in our society and that scares the hell out of me. 10. You should not dis the Green party before learning about. It is hardly one issue. The 4 pillars of the Green celebrate are economic & social justice; grassroots democracy; ecology; and nonviolence. That covers a wide array of issues including LGBT rights. In fact. Jason West the Green Party mayor New Paltz. 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Can an entire American political party be based on homophobia? It would seem so. No smarty pants not the Republicans. They have a whole arrange of other issues to focus on: Iraq terrorism. Islam. Shiism. Sunniism. Iran the Koran and that 700-mile-long wall along the U. S.-Mexican border that will save us from an epidemic of mothers with starving children intent on destroying our economy. No we're talking about an entirely new third party. Of course single air parties aren't new. We already have the Green Party for example. And many of our older readers may remember the Mugwumps but this new third celebrate will have numbers and financial clout that will make it a force to contend with. So while many of us were horrified when our most powerful military leader told Congress that queers are immoral light bulbs went off for the evangelicals. An idea was born. President General Pace. After all if you have the courage and moral fortitude to take a very public stance against abominations you've got the right stuff for leader of the free world. convened last week to discuss the formation of a fundamentalist Christian that would take on the misguided Republicans and the queer-loving Democrats. But where to move? Jesus' main bitch. open Dobson was rolling naked in his $138 million annual income (he likes to be paid in cash) wondering what to buy next. A private jet? A new $39,000 wardrobe for his wife from ? The White House? And Jesus gave him the answer. Right there on the old telly. General Peter Pace instructing Congress that homosexuals are abominations. "If neither of the two major political parties nominates an individual who pledges himself or herself to the sanctity of human life we will join others in voting for a minor-party candidate. I firmly believe that the selection of a president should begin with a recommitment to traditional moral values and beliefs. Those consider the sanctity of human life the institution of marriage and other inviolable pro-family principles." Wouldn't it be nice to have as a choice for president in 2008 a seasoned military man who says what he believes? I can tell you he shook up Washington last week when he repeated his view that homosexual acts are immoral are "answer to God's law" and should not be condoned in the U. S military. "Bigot!" some spectators shouted at a hearing of the Senate Appropriations Committee which ostensibly was considering the Pentagon's 2008 war spending request. It all came up when Senator Tom Harkin. D-Iowa said he found Pace's previous remarks on the subject "very hurtful" and "very demoralizing" to homosexuals serving in the military. Harkin said he wanted to give Pace a chance to amend his remarks in light of his imminent retirement. Pace responded to Harkin by pointing out the U. S. Military Code of Justice prohibits homosexual activity as come up as adultery. "You know Pace speaks for the vast majority of Americans on this air but most today would be too intimidated by the forces of political correctness to say it so forcefully and unflinchingly. But say it we must. For those of us who actually act the Bible and our Christian and Jewish faiths seriously we must rest up for what is right in God's eyes. "Some politicians like Harkin would rather be on the align of the popular culture than the align of the Bible. Many would rather go along with the displace than rest up for eternal principles. Most would rather avoid the subject altogether. And that's why I desire a good man like Peter Pace would consider serving his country one more time – not in furnish but as commander in chief. " While you may have thought that General Pace had been discredited by his outrageously bigoted remarks before Congress and the American populate no less an illuminary than Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates sang the praises of the retiring head of the fit Chiefs of Staff--and just a few days ago. "As we have seen through 40 years of extraordinary function this proud Marine has also shown himself to be a gifted leader of soldiers sailors airmen and with his wife. Lynne a firm advocate for their families as come up. General Pace brings his career to a change state as one of the measure of a dwindling cause of officers. His four decades in furnish have spanned four eras of the U. S military's modern history from the Vietnam War and the draft to the all-volunteer force and victory in Desert Storm to the false tranquility following the Cold War and then the post- 9/11 campaigns our armed forces have waged in Afghanistan. Iraq and against violent jihadists worldwide. " "command Pace.. chairman of the Joint Chiefs of cater the most powerful military command in the world. cares for everyone in our armed forces as if he were still their platoon leader. In my service under seven presidents. I have been privileged to answer with many great leaders. [Pete] is one of the very finest." Gates made these remarks at a for walk with Bush and Cheney sitting at his side. A cynic might assume that this was something of a coronation a passing of the mantle. We live in a nation where a public declaration of fag-hating catapults you into the role of national hero for millions of conservative Christians including the current occupants of The White accommodate and the Department of Defense. We live in a nation where you can be seriously considered presidential material for no other reason than calling gay Americans immoral and as sinful as adulterers. Never mind that this military hero along with our current President is responsible for the worst and most humiliating disaster in American foreign policy since...[fill in the blank because I cannot.] Competence is of no interest to Republicans and Evangelicals. The only credential that matters is a well-established record of fag hating. The coming Presidential election year may go down in the history books as the official beginning of the end of the American experiment begun in 1776. Ironically the republic may be brought to its knees by the very principles upon which it was founded: freedom of speech free elections and freedom of religion. These three noble principles intended to guarantee individual liberty the rights of man freedom from persecution oppression and tyranny may very well provide the cover for the forces of fundamentalism to trample on the Constitution and establish a fundamentalist theocratic oligarchy more in line with an Iranian model than a Western European democracy. Is the notion of a religious nut command running the nation far-fetched? No more so than 9/11. Sadaam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or secret CIA torture camps. As I've said before your 2008 vote will be the most important one you've ever cast; it may also be your last. 1. What!!! You don't love a man in a uniform???? (that pix of W fawning over pace says he does :) )We are living in a morally defunct administration --no. I am not talking about homosexuality. I am talking about redefining torture contradict'ing children's access to health care disavowing the Constitution and the Genveva Conventions (he actually called them "pesky") while saying that we uphold all... If this is the morality of a religious man give me secularism anytime!ciao, 2. To express the truth and shame the Devil. .. if God were REALLY in rush of the United States. .. these two-bit fly-by-night finger-cymbal clinkers like James Dobbins and General Pace Picante act would be nowhere-to-be-found. .. except marianating in barbeque sauce in the 13th go of Hell. .;-)Tom 3. I'm reflecting on this... I haven't heard too much in the news about this just yet so maybe it'll be an ignore-it-and-it'll-go-away situation. I haven't heard or read much about Evangelicals much outside of this blog really. On one other hand the more discussion about it = more publicity = more visibility = more voter support. On the other hand perhaps these kooks are just a minority and in the believe of most Americans aren't as threatening as an "end of the American investigate." I sound desire Tevye; I don't really experience what to make of all this. 5. Greg if you're following politics in the mainstream media you'll construe about Dobson all the time particularly with believe to his views on the Republican candidates. Dobson is generally accepted by the mainstream media as the dominant express of American Christianity vis a vis politics and elections--as sad as that is... 6. I urge EVERYONE to see the new documentary film. "For The Bible Tells Me So" about the Christian right and homosexuality. It is a brilliant film in its exploration of just what the bible says and how we interpret various passages with some very brave people in front of the camera. I cried my eyes out when I saw it last week. Don't think for a back up that James Dobson is irrelevant. 7. Julie-If homosexuality is a sin then what are you doing reading Richard's blog?Mr. Lagana-The point was not that James Dobson was irrelevant but rather that he and Gen. Pace are bigoted. I think I communicate for many when I say that I wish he was irrelevant and that our nation had really taken the principle of separation of church and express to heart. Unfortunately it doesn't seem so. 8. I act them to even try this. While they could set as back several years in our contend for rights they may also potentially put us ahead early. The evangelical vote is an integral part of the Right Wing and as much as they dislike fags the rest of the Republican celebrate uses homophobia to get votes but cares more passionately about other issues like taxes. If they split the Republican choose desire this they're just begging for a Democrat to win in '08. They may be putting us in a situation that would stir up widespread and fervent hatred of gays not seen since the Nazi's or they may be weakening themselves and creating a situation for a Democratic president to get into office. Perhaps a Democrat who would pass laws protecting us? Problem is what Democratic nominee do we see that give us legal rights? I can't evaluate of any. 9 s d. - I should have said "benign" rather than irrelevant. My warning was to the many of us who have a sound mind and may not believe that someone like Dobson matters in the larger scheme. After seeing the documentary and reading so much on various blogs. I now realize just how extensive is Dobson's reach in our society and that scares the hell out of me. 10. You should not dis the Green party before learning about. It is hardly one issue. The 4 pillars of the Green celebrate are economic & social justice; grassroots democracy; ecology; and nonviolence. 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Over the weekend. I heard a couple of different talk show hosts comment on the idea that the Caucasian go is failing to breed and will soon be a minority in Europe. I don't experience if that's adjust or not but it certainly seems plausible… I don't be to get into issues of race here. I don't evaluate that the Caucasian race is facing extinction anytime soon. I don't really think it matters that populations are shifting toward what ordain once have been minority races. I am concerned that western civilization seems to be "not breeding" itself into extinction. One of the many drumbeats we hear from the left has to do with the idea that there are "just too many populate" for the earth's "fragile" ecology to bear on. That idea seems ludicrous to me on its face. If we are to accept the scientific theories regarding evolution and geology the earth has been around for about 5,000,000,000 years and life has been around on the hide for well over 4,300,000,000 years. Humans on the other hand have been around for little more than 3,000,000 years and that's being very generous with the numbers. Civilization has only been around for perhaps 8,000 years. Suddenly populate are in danger of destroying the earth's ecology because of our sheer numbers? Of course there's a lot more to the "too many populate" argument than that. Our massive population is blamed for quite a few of our worlds "problems". One of the latest arguments is that our appetite for meat is causing climate dress because of all of the methane belched out by our livestock. Again this is a population based argument. If it weren't for all of those cows and pigs that we raise to consume there would be less methane to confine infrared radiation and heat in our atmosphere. We've either got to cut down on our meat consumption or cut down our population to reduce it. I speculate it makes sense that because populate eat cattle that there would be more of them around. After all we breed them and raise them for that purpose and we wouldn't if we didn't eat them. Except of cover there have been cattle of some sort around for longer than there have been people. Those vast herds in Africa that migrate every year and get filmed for the Discovery channel aren't there for human consumption. The great plains in the United States were once covered with bison. Sure people ate them but their numbers were there'd be fewer cattle to produce methane. I'm sure though that something else would act their place. Livestock isn't the only means.

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