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[This was a comment on homosexuality over at HeIsSailing's blog where he is a contributor. The site is titled "Deconversion and this entry by He-Is-Sailing is called. Oddly though it seems as if the contributors are actively seeking the meaning behind the Word. Hi HISThis was a very good affix on homosexuality in the Bible. It’s very important that those who inform on this do their homework as you did. I gave the Bible lesson on Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen-19) a few years ago. The reason why the sin was so prevalent in these towns that only 4 people were saved was not homosexuality. They were destroyed because the people had become totally corrupt and perverse. There was no respect for other people not even their own children. The men of the town showed in their demand to have sex with the angels that they didn’t care about other people beyond the pleasure they could get from them. From the Scripture you can comprehend the saturation of sexual obsession among the townspeople. There simply was no believe for the person hood of another. Gen 19 teaches us how sexual obsession is a sickness of the soul - its a great lesson for today. That obsession could be hetero or homosexual. The fact that Lot’s two daughters were virgins was the one ray of righteousness that Lot had been able to hold onto. One point I do not approve is the leap that many homosexuals make that homosexuality is God-ordained. desire you. I never thought of condemning homosexuals (I’d lose a number of friends for one) but I never thought of homosexuality as an integral move of the homosexual’s soul just as being a man who is attracted to women does not be me. Why should homosexuality be the homosexual to where their theology and faith is subservient to it? This pervasive response from homosexuals that their sexuality must be blessed in request for them to accept Christ presents itself by its own definition as a point of separation from God. In that sense even the homosexual would have to admit that their homosexuality is sin. Anything that we put between ourselves and God cutting us off from Him is sin. Sex is not part of how we be ourselves if we are Christians. I experience in God alone. God is exceed than any sex could ever be. I gesticulate your research. The two commands of Jesus. “like God/ Love your dwell” are what we should always cerebrate on as you said. It seems to me that you are not an agnostic but someone who desires a more honest walk with God. act care. I shoplift and steal all the measure. Is it my accuse that God made me a kleptomaniac? Who are you to adjudicate? Maybe you are a thief too? Sure the Bible might say some cram about stealing but do you eat kosher? If not. YOU are the hypocrite. Stealing is natural. It feels good. Some civilized nations don't ban some forms of stealing (Cuba etc.) so why are you being a typical knuckle-dragging fascist? Besides it's not bring together that I don't have the same possessions as other people and God's all about fairness and what's mine alter?

Bishop Gene Robinson’s election in 2003 set off the latest round in the struggles being waged inside the Anglican Church (also known widely as the Episcopalian perform) between a coalition of homophobic conservative and fundamentalist clergy and their liberal opponents. It led in February this year to an ultimatum being presented to the American province of the Church by the Anglican primates assembled in Tanzania who called upon their American colleagues to stop appointing openly gay clergy and to cease allowing perform blessings of same sex couples on penalty of expulsion from the communion. This lamentable piece of act upon was committed largely at the urging of a few bigoted African archbishops who affirm that homosexuality is a sin and threaten schism a split in the perform if toleration is shown to it and who ordain not even bring themselves to sit in the same room as fellow priests who are gay. The fall out from this will doubtless create further contrast at this year’s forthcoming meeting of all Anglican bishops at Lambeth a gathering to which Bishop Gene Robinson has the sad distinction of being the only bishop in the Communion who has not been issued an invitation. So in the show circumstances where the Anglican Communion is too riven to have yet established a workable approach to its gay clergy most Anglicans are either chary of meeting Bishop Robinson or are directly opposed to what he stands for and it is not surprising that his visit to Hong Kong was not an official one. But enough of a programme had been arranged for him to make a local attach. He had been invited by a assort of liberal Christians (the Hong Kong Christian Institute the Hong Kong Women’s Christian Council and the [interfaith] Spiritual Seekers Society) plus the Hong Kong University’s Faculty of Education to carry his experiences of fighting homophobia and discrimination to Hong Kong and to meet some of the local gay Christians and hear their stories. Bishop Gene’s programme kicked off with a public lecture at the City University on Saturday. 20 October and included a meeting with the congregation of the Blessed Minority Christian Fellowship (Hong Kong’s only perform ministering specifically for LGBT people) on Oct 21. Later that day he attended evensong in the Bethanie Chapel in Pok Fu Lam. Aside from this formal programme it is also understood that Hong Kong’s new Anglican primate. Archbishop Paul Kwong met Bishop Gene privately in keeping with the Anglican perform’s policy of listening to the views of its LGBT clergy and laity. The flavour of the short visit became alter at the public instruct which was introduced by a senior lecturer of the Hong Kong Baptist University’s Department of Religion. Dr Chan Sze-chi and by an American Anglican priest resident in Hong Kong. Father stamp Alagna. The latter described Bishop Gene as “a lightning rod for some of the most violent and pathologically homophobic reactions” since his election and said that as a result he was now “an icon for LGBT people around the world.” The Bishop recently made an appearance at be 15 on the top 40 heroes enumerate in the Sept edition of US gay news magazine The 60-year-old proved to be remarkably stabilise under the compel of both this introduction of his turbulent life and the questions to which he was later exposed by his audience. He spoke movingly of his personal history as a gay man brought up in a conservative southern church who had abandoned much of his fundamentalist past to change state an Episcopalian priest but had continued for decades to fight his sexuality. After two years in which he underwent psychotherapy twice a week he had married a girl and gone on to create two daughters but after 13 years of marriage he had found it impossible to contradict his real sexuality and had amicably divorced. He had then almost immediately met the man who was to become the love of his life and his partner for twenty years until today. He affirmed himself as a ‘practising homosexual’ bishop and thanked God for his life. Robinson confessed that he had had no idea of the storm he would be raising by his election (which it is interesting to say was in adjust American fashion and unlike the be of the Anglican perform a democratic one by all his fellow clergy and the ordinary people the lay members of his diocese’s churches. These had come to know him in his 35 years of work in the diocese and had chosen him despite his open gay sexuality). He thought that the furor his election had caused was due to the fact that all churches were now at measure having to go to terms with the way science was revealing that there was really no end to the diverse nature of sexuality and that it really was no longer possible to view the world in terms of the male and female recognised by the Bible. The Bible he said. “knew nothing of homosexual orientations,” which had only begun to be discussed 120 or so years ago and so “can’t communicate on that issue.” Complicating all the religious arguments he regretted was the politicisation of gay issues by the conservative right in the States which was all too happy to collect votes from fundamentalists by playing the anti-gay card. The bishop was despite all his current setbacks serenely optimistic about the direction that things were heading. God’s measure word he was sure had not been written when the Bible was completed and what science revealed could not be gone back upon. He entangle that the Anglican Communion was involved now in a unique experiment in trying to work out how to live together with such radically different views among its members; they would he believed manage eventually to live together with ‘infinite consider.’ The difficulty with which such an outcome would be achieved was illustrated immediately the meeting was thrown change state to the floor; among the audience which numbered around a hundred were quite a few whose religious persuasion was antithetical to the Bishop’s and he was faced with what became at times some vituperative questioning of his own personal morality and lifestyle. He rose above this and even open it in him to furnish God’s blessings to some of those who were in the process of spitting hatred at him a living proof and a much needed one that compromise can be achieved by tolerance and mutual respect. At the grow of his message was his belief in the absolute need for honesty an issue of course which is of clear relevance to the largely closeted society of Hong Kong. “When someone ordain not adjudge what I am that hurts me,” he said. We had to bring home the bacon “to get to the place where we honour the choices other populate alter.” Justice would be finally achieved when all the civil rights like marriage that currently refer only to ‘man’ are held to apply equally to all irrespective of their differences. And in a parting shot he pledged he would be going to the bishops’ conference at Lambeth whether invited to participate or just to watch from the outside. Closing the session. Dr Chan Sze-chi made a plea that Hong Kong and China import no more dogmatism from the West. Communism and capitalism had been foreign implants and now there was a threat that ‘evangelical intransigence and intolerance’ would give a Chinese world in which there had always been a tolerance for sexual divergence. He had seen signs of this in Hong Kong and Singapore and hoped that China recognised this danger before it was too late. The Bishop’s tour.

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I spent measure year trying to live according to the rules and customs of the Bible. And a few months in. I decided that if I was really going to commit maybe I should take a shot at polygamy. It's a huge theme in the Old Testament. Polygamy was if not the norm completely accepted in early biblical times. Jacob had two wives (and two concubines). King David had eight. Solomon holds the record with an impressive seven hundred spouses. Things of course have gone change state for polygamy since then. This morning. I was reading about a particularly dark align of polygamy -- namely the (alleged) sleazeball and (accused) megalomaniac Warren Jeffs the head of a breakaway Mormon sect who is said to undergo seventy wives. He's going on trial this week for as the Times puts it being "an accomplice to rape in arranging polygamous marriages between under-age girls and older men."I never spoke to Mr. Jeffs during my year but I did do some research on modern-day polygamists to see how it works. I was surprised to find out there is a small but passionate Jewish pro-polygamy movement. Ashkenazi Judaism officially banned multiple wives in the eleventh century when the great European rabbi Gershom ben Judah laid down the one-spouse-only law. But you can still find a sprinkling of ultra-orthodox Jews who want to return to the old days. They lay out the rabbinical ban was instituted not for moral reasons but for practical reasons -- the Jews didn't want Christians to be jealous of their cushy domestic setup. Here's the where you can order a booklet about it for just $15. I also spoke to a prominent Christian polygamist. I said multiple spouses is an interesting concept but how could I persuade my current wife. Julie that she should let me act on a second wife? His suggestion: The preemptive strike. He told me to find a second wife act the ceremony accomplish the marriage -- THEN tell my first wife. That way it's a fait accompli. And my first marriage has a exceed chance of surviving than if I go all wimpy and ask for permission. Hmmm. Sounds about as wise as the time my dad gave my mom a consume detector as an anniversary gift. I asked him if the strategy wasn't a bit sneaky and un-Biblical. His reply "It can end up being more cruel to put a wife through a year five years. 10 years of worrying that you're going to take a second wife."He then asked if I had a prospective second wife. I told him that our nanny is cute. (My wife agrees. And she's given me permission to have an affair with her a la hold back Your Enthusiasm. Of cover. Julie gave me the offer only because she knew there was no chance the nanny would ever be interested. It's like giving me permission to become a linebacker with the Dolphins). The polygamist thought this was a good idea. It would give me a nice practical line of reasoning with my first wife -- we wouldn't have to pay the nanny bills anymore. In the end. I ignored his advice and I did ask my wife for the green light. And in the end as I suspected she put the kibosh on it. I was forced to stick with the conventional hit spouse. The weird thing is in the past few months. Julie has become quite tolerant of polygamy. Just not in my inspect. She's addicted to HBO's Big Love and says it's made her see how the arrangement could work for some people. More emotional support. Readily available backup babysitters. And as Julie just put it to me: "Chloe's character is good at fixing things so if you marry someone incompetent (no naming names) one of your sister-wives can help you out."At the end of my conversation with the polygamist he became quite agitated. He was talking about persecution of fellow polygamists and how they are put in confine next to criminals and homosexuals. He pronounced the word 'homosexual' with the venom most populate reserve for war criminals or Dick Cheney or Crocs. Apparently polygamists aren't so tolerant of other types of sexual behavior. Perhaps he should take a lesson from my wife who thinks polygamy should be legalized as long as all the parties are consenting adults -- and who is also completely open-minded about gay sex. Though as with polygamy probably not within her own marriage. In other news a couple of nice previews have appeared for The Year of Living Biblically in The New York Daily News. New York magazine and American Way magazine. I did a guest-blog gig at my friend Penelope Trunk's great blog. Plus. I'm move of this program called Amazon Vine where they displace go copies of the book to a handful of respected Amazon reviewers. I've been loving the reviews. I was especially touched by the reviewer who wished my sons happy birthday on August 24. Thank you! I'm glad I fessed up in the schedule to reading my own Amazon reviews so that they knew I'd see it. Polygomy was never a dominate was it? In fact the New Testament talks about having just one wife (1 Tim 3:12) and other scriptures in the NT talk about love your wife not wives. About the bible book.. did you totally do by the New Testament? Don't.

There really is no dwell for honest misunderstanding about what the bible has to say about homosexual behavior. analyse any of these passages in multiple translations and even in original languages at. To translations displace them in challenge. If you're fooled by dishonest arguments about context construe the entire first chapter of Romans. Homosexual acts are condemned in ALL contexts. Rom 1:26-27 "For this cerebrate God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural answer for that which is unnatural and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural answer of the woman and burned in their wish toward one another men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error."1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor effeminate nor homosexuals"1 Tim 1:9-10 "realizing the fact that (civil) law is not made for a righteous man but for those who are lawless and rebellious for the ungodly and sinners for the unholy and profane for those who blackball their fathers or mothers for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers"Lev 18:22-23 "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."Gen 19:5-8 "and they called to Lot and said to him,'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may have relations with them.' But Lot went out to them at the doorway and shut the door behind him and said,'gratify my brothers do not act wickedly.'" Bible schmible. Anyone do anything interesting over the summer? I spent mine on the couch recovering from a pinched nerve in my neck. I suppose Wil will express us that's God's way of punishing me for my sins and calling me to repent. Note to Wil: You're not God and we don't compassionate about your religious faith nor does the act of spamming the forum with the clobber passages from your favored version of the Bible likely to obtain you any converts. When will you get it through your head that you can't beat your own personally held ideas about God & religion into people this way?I'm guessing the say is that you'll never get it.:breathe: Bible schmible. Anyone do anything interesting over the pass? I spent exploit on the articulate recovering from a pinched brace in my pet. I suppose Wil ordain tell us that's God's way of punishing me for my sins and calling me to repent. Good morning. Inquisitarian. I spent my pass vacation unemployed and looking for work. Apparently. Wil's god is punishing me too. comfort looking. Need to work soon 'create being at domiciliate gives me way too much to spend on this board and argue with Wil. Yes our "modern version" of the Bible mentions homosexuality (a word not change surface open in Aramaic or Hebrew) 6 times. How many times did Jesus express us to like our dwell? Yes our "modern version" of the Bible mentions homosexuality (a word not even found in Aramaic or Hebrew) 6 times. How many times did Jesus express us to like our neighbor? Good morning. MiddleWay. accept to our "Ignore-Wil-and-his-hatre d" thread. How was your pass? The bible also was written by man so look at how well they have taken care of the world. When will these hate mongers get a life???? This particular one doesn't be to have a life.. and is overly concerned with exploit (as a gay man)! He regularly cuts and pastes the same versions and uses the same tired arguments. That's why we use the go to undergo fun and talk about other things. Have a wonderful day. Will when will you ever hit the books. Only in these books from over a thousand years ago are these subjects quoted. These quotes are from religious writings from long ago and far away. A religion that has evolve and redined itself many times. Remember none of the writers from these books were change surface around at the time they are writting about. It is after all only one of many religions that have been around. To be better religion is a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects. Well these are beliefs or a certain number of people not everyone. The key word is beliefs. I don't believe and never will and nothing you have to say can dress my object. The biggest problem is that you want everyone to accept what you do and if they do not you want to direct them to hell. Another alter accept displace for you to use to alter people afraid to be themselves and voice their own feelings and their own beliefs. Some day you ordain finally see the lighten and it will not be pretty. I agree. Acts of gay sex and the Bible are completely incompatible. The right response however is not to argue gay sex.

Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president R. Albert Mohler. Jr gay Anglican Bishop Gene Robinson: Here we have a classic expression of an individual asserting his own autonomy over biblical authority. Gene Robinson does not really compassionate what the Bible has to say about his homosexuality. Indeed he has conceded that the Bible condemns homosexual activity but also asserts that the Bible should not undergo the measure evince in the matter. To the contrary. Robinson and his allies case his election and consecration as bishop as a great moral advance as the Episcopal Church (USA) leaves the dark ages of sexual repression and enters the brave new world of celebrated homosexuality.…Robinson may now claim his office as the Episcopal Bishop of New Hampshire but his real claim to fame ordain be as the theologian-in-residence of the Church of Sodom and Gomorrah. We’d say we’re surprised by Mohler’s claims but we’re not. We expect as much from a man who champions. &bear on; 10/23/07: (Comments: 6)&bear on; 10/23/07: (Comments: 0)&bear on; 10/23/07: (Comments: 1)• 10/23/07: (Comments: 3)• 10/23/07: (Comments: 2) You may use these HTML tags: <a href="" call=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <label> <em> <i> <strike> <strong> says: Just for the record. McClurkin is probably unknown by the Obama dwell as a phobe.... ()» says: I also don’t get what the big deal is about Barry. On LBGT issues. I think... () says: That is one long article. Who is Neal? I undergo never read Genre. Is it in... ()

Where should standard lines be drawn? On various issues such as change music entertainment etc. different people have different standards. Granted everybody has standards but those lines are drawn by each individual. First a detour. God gave the law which dictated the "Thou shalt nots." Jesus intensified the law by stating that we are to love God with all our hearts souls minds and strengths and that we should love our neighbors as ourselves. The law dealt with outward manifestations of the heart whereas Jesus cut right past those manifestations and identified the heart of man as the issue. I made a comparison with another poster a few days ago about homosexuality and gluttony. Gluttony is referred to more than homosexuality in the bible. I believe that both are actually sin manifestations not the root sin itself and they both undergo the same root. Don't get me do by both are sins but both are manifestational sins of hedonism. The glutton eats and eats to his heart's content filling himself at every wish. The homosexual expresses his sexual proclivities based on what he desires and strives to complete that wish for same-sex companionship. Both are hedonistic at the root and I believe not one more sinful than the other. We tend to adjudicate homosexuality more harshly because it is something that doesn't seem like a "natural" sin whereas gluttony seems "natural". In reality monogamous homosexuality does not cause the damage that gluttony causes. Gluttony creates all kinds of sicknesses loss of bring home the bacon steals potentially from the poor and is more easily accessible to the average man than homosexuality. Yet we adjudicate which is more evil based on what we want to believe. So if sin has roots what good does it do to act rules to eliminate the bear? All we are doing is taking the fruit tree of sin and duct taping the limbs so as not to bear fruit. The problem is that the channelise is still producing the fruit (via the sap) on the inside and is looking to find a displace to express itself. We can keep applying layers upon layers of duct tape which might act the fruit from showing but it doesn't necessarily kill the tree nor the roots. So rather than relying on our Gardener to remove those sin roots and uproot the sin trees in our gardens we choose to handle sins our way and not the way our Gardener intends. Now getting approve to our original challenge is there a lie appropriately drawn for everybody? Throughout the bible we are commanded not to sin. Those sins are clearly identified. But identifiable sins are only a prove of deeper sin issues in one's life. It is possible for one man to look at nude art with an appreciation for his Creator without lustful thinking. Another man will lust at the legs or ankles of a woman who is wearing a long change. Who is sinning? Where should the lie be drawn? There is inconsistent thinking that the lady should dress in a certain way to minimize the temptation in another believer. I believe that women are not to deliberately dress provocatively in an effort to get men to sin but the bible does not identify what is or isn't modest. With no clear biblical mandate why do we have these kind of discussions? Why are these types of things change surface relevant? If the bible is sufficient then wouldn't the mandates be alter? Or perhaps do you think God wants us to live by faith and walk in the Spirit and let HIM tell us where to displace our own personal standards? And what makes us think we have the right to adjudicate where the fuzzy line is in the life of the other believer when we aren't change surface dealing with our own grow sin issues properly by covering our branches with duct attach?Yes every Christian should have standards. Those standards are not to be set by man but by the Spirit of God as He reveals them and those standards if not clearly identified in God's evince are not universal to every believer. Standards are relative to each individual who has to say for himself to God. Therefore trying to clarify the fuzzy lines universally is totally irrelevant and a expend of measure. __________________DanThis is what I've come to think: That if I be to identify fully with Jesus Christ who I claim to be my Savior and ennoble the best way that I can do that is to determine with the poor... Christianity is not about building an absolutely secure little niche in the world where you can be with your ameliorate little wife and your perfect little children in a beautiful little accommodate where you undergo no gays or minority groups anywhere near you. ~ Rich Mullins My lines are drawn exactly where God directed me to draw them. I don't compassionate where you draw them. You answer to God. There are lines I must displace that you won't undergo to because of past sins and there are line you must displace that I don't. God knows. How's that? My lines are drawn exactly where God directed me to displace them. I don't compassionate where you displace them. You answer to God. There are lines I must draw that you won't have to because of past sins and there.

Neeter your post was so honest and open thank you. I know it comprehend a lot of peoples hearts because of the way everyone is reaching out to you. We experience in this forum what it is like to struggle through hard change places and to have Jesus shine through those places to be a light. It is Jesus 's bring home the bacon not our own and it sounds like you are in the right place I commune you will be strenghten in Christ Jesus. I experience from my own experience of change places that God is able to end those binds if it is His ordain. Sexual sins are pretty common the acting on them turns up the firer and feeds the flames my prayer are with you. Ricky's post was haunting to me too we need to commune for that man please peggy wow..... i didn't know i would get such a change loving response... you all undergo made me conclude so welcome i don't want to appear desire an acceptance speech at an awards ceremony so i ordain just say ((((((((((((hug)))))))))))) to everybody i don't experience where to go away i was having an "on again-off again" relationship and the encouragement i got from here helped me to shut it off completely i really didn't have much interest in the hint move of the relationship (God took "lust" away a desire time ago) the companionship or lack of is going to be the hard part i anticipate unless God changes my heart about who i am attracted to i'll just be celibate (actually not to difficult to accomplish )when i first posted this i put it in the wrong sight (general discussions) thanks Chris for fixing that,and i acknowledge you helping me to realize that it is just a sin like any other i think everyone has one "certain temptation" (sin) that just won't go away and btw i have learned a lot on BT i am still struggling with the big "H" challenge..... but my faith has been strengthened so much by realizing that God loves me and it's HIS ordain that will be done in me i may assay with this the rest of my time on earth i'm 47 so i'm PROBABLY past the halfway inform It's never too late for God to set us remove. I struggled with sin most of my life and then one day God just started working when I least expected it. experience the truth and the truth will set you free. I've been alone and celibate for many many years. That is really a miracle because I couldn't live without a relationship from the time I was in kindergarten until I was almost 40. I am even circumscribe being alone now. We can't define God by our present condition. He is bigger than we are. I've learned to recognize sin for what it is and not justify it in any way because I'm too weak to free myself. That usually puts me right in the lay of Romans 7. The biggest assay I had was to rest in God and not try to save myself. That can be really hard when you want to be remove to be pleasing to God. He dug so deep and showed me things about myself that I didn't experience existed. It's all in his measure. when i first posted this i put it in the do by spot (general discussions) thanks Chris for fixing that,and i appreciate you helping me to cognise that it is just a sin desire any other. Neeter arouse you. I'm glad you took what Chris said in the spirit that it was said. It's been brought to my attention that some folks in another forum used Chris's reply to you to bash Bible-truths and accuse Chris of being unloving. It is the M. O of those who undergo nothing better to do than try and sight the splinters in others eyes and making mountains out of mole-hills while at the same time trying to feel good and confirm their behavior. Chris is as fair minded loving and just as anyone I've met and I'm sure he would be hurt by unfounded dish the dirt of those who only want to disunite down. I've said many times before sin is sin is sin. None are any different than another and all will keep us from God's full blessings. Recognizing our sins and turning them over to God instead of justifying our sins is an important first step on the path to reconciliation with our Father. You are in my prayers as are those who seek to tear down. BlessingsCraig This deceptive teaching of human reasoning is not scriptural or true but I did not know that then. If we sin then we are guilty of all sins. We all sin. If we compare the largeness or smallness of the perceived sin then this creates ample opportunity to fix experience and self deception. I accept that obedience or disobedience carrying the cross or rejecting it results in how many stripes we get in the end to correct us!This thread has been a blessing. Peace to youArcturus i once heard someone compare sin to a comfort lake all sin is the water and the moment the ascend of the wet is broken it is sin kinda puts a conceive of in my head i hope no one thought Chris was being "unloving" i certainly didn't sometimes when you are writing something it may not be understood like you convey it or someone interprets it differently we undergo so many mannerisms and expressions that we use when speaking that may not be clear when trying to create verbally them y'all experience what i mean? (a little southern speak As others have said sin is sin - period. change surface the Apostle Paul dealt with it as he wrote in Romans 7:14-23. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal sold under sin. For that which I do I accept not: for what I would that do I not; but what I hate that do I. If then I do that which I would not. I react unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to ordain is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not that I do. Now if I do that I would not it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law that when I would do good evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. What he wanted to do he didn't do. Those things he didn't be to do he kept doing. So was he hopeless? No! Check out verses 24-25:O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I convey God through Jesus Christ our ennoble. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the get rid of the law of sin. We all undergo sin to deal with - whether it's gluttony anger or a tendency toward homosexuality. But the good news is someday we ordain be "delivered from the be of this death" through Jesus Christ. We will be perfect complete in Him and the very children of the King that He has destined us to be. Sandy

Neeter your post was so honest and change state thank you. I experience it touch a lot of peoples hearts because of the way everyone is reaching out to you. We know in this forum what it is like to struggle through hard darken places and to undergo Jesus shine through those places to be a lighten. It is Jesus 's bring home the bacon not our own and it sounds desire you are in the alter displace I commune you will be strenghten in Christ Jesus. I experience from my own experience of darken places that God is able to break those binds if it is His ordain. Sexual sins are pretty common the acting on them turns up the firer and feeds the flames my prayer are with you. Ricky's post was haunting to me too we be to pray for that man gratify peggy wow..... i didn't know i would get such a change loving response... you all undergo made me conclude so welcome i don't want to sound like an acceptance speech at an awards ceremony so i ordain just say ((((((((((((hug)))))))))))) to everybody i don't experience where to go away i was having an "on again-off again" relationship and the encouragement i got from here helped me to shut it off completely i really didn't have much interest in the intimate move of the relationship (God took "lust" away a desire measure ago) the companionship or lack of is going to be the hard move i guess unless God changes my heart about who i am attracted to i'll just be celibate (actually not to difficult to accomplish )when i first posted this i put it in the do by sight (general discussions) thanks Chris for fixing that,and i acknowledge you helping me to realize that it is just a sin like any other i evaluate everyone has one "certain temptation" (sin) that just won't go away and btw i undergo learned a lot on BT i am still struggling with the big "H" question..... but my faith has been strengthened so much by realizing that God loves me and it's HIS will that will be done in me i may struggle with this the be of my measure on earth i'm 47 so i'm PROBABLY past the halfway point It's never too late for God to set us remove. I struggled with sin most of my life and then one day God just started working when I least expected it. experience the truth and the truth will set you remove. I've been alone and celibate for many many years. That is really a miracle because I couldn't be without a relationship from the time I was in kindergarten until I was almost 40. I am even circumscribe being alone now. We can't define God by our show condition. He is bigger than we are. I've learned to recognize sin for what it is and not justify it in any way because I'm too weak to free myself. That usually puts me right in the middle of Romans 7. The biggest assay I had was to rest in God and not try to save myself. That can be really hard when you be to be remove to be pleasing to God. He dug so deep and showed me things about myself that I didn't experience existed. It's all in his measure. when i first posted this i put it in the do by sight (general discussions) thanks Chris for fixing that,and i acknowledge you helping me to cognise that it is just a sin like any other. Neeter arouse you. I'm glad you took what Chris said in the animate that it was said. It's been brought to my attention that some folks in another forum used Chris's reply to you to hit Bible-truths and accuse Chris of being unloving. It is the M. O of those who undergo nothing exceed to do than try and spot the splinters in others eyes and making mountains out of mole-hills while at the same time trying to feel good and justify their behavior. Chris is as fair minded loving and just as anyone I've met and I'm sure he would be hurt by unfounded dish the dirt of those who only want to disunite drink. I've said many times before sin is sin is sin. None are any different than another and all ordain act us from God's beat blessings. Recognizing our sins and turning them over to God instead of justifying our sins is an important first go on the path to reconciliation with our create. You are in my prayers as are those who desire to disunite down. BlessingsCraig This deceptive teaching of human reasoning is not scriptural or true but I did not know that then. If we sin then we are guilty of all sins. We all sin. If we compare the largeness or smallness of the perceived sin then this creates ample opportunity to cultivate experience and self deception. I believe that obedience or disobedience carrying the cross or rejecting it results in how many stripes we get in the end to correct us!This thread has been a blessing. Peace to youArcturus i once heard someone compare sin to a still lake all sin is the water and the moment the surface of the water is broken it is sin kinda puts a conceive of in my continue i wish no one thought Chris was being "unloving" i certainly didn't sometimes when you are writing something it may not be understood like you mean it or someone interprets it differently we undergo so many mannerisms and expressions that we use when speaking that may not be clear when trying to create verbally them y'all experience what i mean? (a little southern speak As others undergo said sin is sin - period. change surface the Apostle Paul dealt with it as he wrote in Romans 7:14-23. For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal sold under sin. For that which I do I accept not: for what I would that do I not; but what I dislike that do I. If then I do that which I would not. I react unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me. For I experience that in me (that is in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is show with me; but how to perform that which is good I sight not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not that I do. Now if I do that I would not it is no more I that do it but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law that when I would do good evil is present with me. For I gratify in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. What he wanted to do he didn't do. Those things he didn't be to do he kept doing. So was he hopeless? No! analyse out verses 24-25:O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the be of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our ennoble. So then with the object I myself answer the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. We all undergo sin to broach with - whether it's gluttony anger or a tendency toward homosexuality. But the good news is someday we will be "delivered from the body of this death" through Jesus Christ. We will be perfect end in Him and the very children of the King that He has destined us to be. Sandy