It is unfortunate when through misunderstandings or miscommunications we do not recognize our own views in press reports. Such is the case here. Ms. Tanner describes my views about the genetic research going on in Chicago in the following way: “Jones said [1] his results suggest biology plays only a minor role in sexual orientation and [2] that researchers seeking genetic clues generally have a pro-gay agenda that will produce biased results.” This is extremely disconcerting as both clauses (my numbers added) in this sentence are misunderstandings of what I was trying to express to Ms. Tanner in my interview with her three weeks ago. First [1]. I did not say that our results from our recently released study of change in sexual orientation indicate low biological or genetic contribution to causation of homosexual orientation. I tried to express to her that the results of our study in my opinion say nothing about causation of homosexual orientation. In fact my memory is that I complained about a conservative columnist who had based on rumors about our study declared (erroneously) that our study proved that homosexual orientation is a choice. Apart from our recently released study however my read of the scientific literature on causation expressed in print in a number of places for the last 15 years is that biology likely does play a role in causation though less of a role than the man-on-the-street thinks (”it’s like eye color”). So I did make cautious comments about biological causation but she seemed to draw the conclusion that I was speaking from the results of our study which I was not. Causation is likely multivariate and idiosyncratic including biological factors. I actually applauded good research on the various factors that contribute to the etiology of sexual orientation and expressed positive anticipation of hearing of the results of this genetic study. I expressed one particular concern about this particular genetic study based on accounts I had read in the media as follows: That by this study concentrating on pre/self-selected subpopulations selected for higher probabilities of biological factors in causation the importance of biological factors for the whole population of homosexual persons may be exaggerated because of the uncertain relationship of the study’s subpopulations to that broader population. Second [2]. I emphasized in my interview with Tanner that a lot of good science is done by gay and gay-affirming researchers and that we hoped to be treated with the same respect that we hoped we demonstrated to good researchers regardless of their ideological leanings. Obviously however the values of the researcher interpreters influence where you go with the interpretations of the findings. My concern in this area is that implications of our research be drawn cautiously and with circumspection. Several of the comments in the article itself indicate the way people are willing to jump forward with interpretations of the implications of research. In Dr. Sanders’s response in the article to my views as represented through Ms. Tanner he said “We do not have a predetermined point we are trying to prove. We are trying to pry some of nature’s secrets loose with respect to a fundamental human trait.” Anyone who reads our book will find that we also did not have a predetermined point we were trying to prove. We had met people who claimed to have changed but were open to findings that this change was frequent or infrequent and also that claimed change was transitory and unsatisfyingly complicated for the participants. Our commitment was and is to reporting straightforwardly what our research population reported to us. Good science can never result when people are trying to create sermon illustrations for pre-determined positions. While they may or may not have been objective about the study itself (I have my own opinions on that). The Exodus Study book screams a particular point of view and uses scripture to back it up. I agree with the second statement above but find the first almost laughable. I doubt any casual reader would be in doubt at all as to Jones’ point of view on the subject. David–I agree…the way you put it it IS almost laughable. I tried reading it both ways. Your way with the … did seem to make their statement self-contradictory. Then there was that other way the way they said it where they explained what they meant: “We had met people who claimed to have changed but were open to findings that this change was frequent or infrequent and also that claimed change was transitory and unsatisfyingly complicated for the participants. Our commitment was and is to reporting straightforwardly what our research population reported to us.” Seems to me that if a religious point of view is the principle motivator for the claimed changes a study would have to acknowledge this motivator and attempt to address its impact on the results–whatever they may be. This study is being hailed as a scientific study by its supporters yet it was printed by a Christian publishing company instead of a scientific journal that would have required a peer review on the study. Did you ever think this is why its not given the respect YOU think it deserves. Aside from the fact that the studies participants were form Exodus and paid by them as well. Also the authors have close affiliations with Regent University (founded by Robertson) and Yarhouse has a gender clinic funded by Regent do you really think the results will contradict the belief of those who sign the researchers paycheck?Lets not forget the lovely things Jones has said in the past that may lead some to believe he can’t render an unbiased opinion…Psychologist Stanton L. Jones of Wheaton. Ill. said those who support ordaining homosexuals are trying to “to normalize a pattern which is destructive and abnormal.”Cornwell. George. “Debate Over Sexuality Fails To Resolve Issue Of Ordaining Homosexuals”. Associated Press. 15 July 1991. MARK YARHOUSEIndeed a devout Christian can decide that “Christ or God has a pre-existing claim on their sexuality” that trumps same-sex attractions. Yarhouse said. Vegh. Steven “Some groups offering gays opportunities for “recovery”. The Virginian-Pilot(Norfolk. VA.)14 September 2004. As far as I know neither Jones or Yarhouse have made any effort whatsoever to publicly correct Exodus. Focus etc. when they distorted the Exodus study data to make it appear to prove large degrees of change. So. I find it someone hypocritical that Jones has decided to finally perk up over what the AP has reported. One cannot honestly deny that everything surrounding this study particularly the publishing and release has been a comedy of errors. The authors have been unavailable and silent concerning important issues and requests for clarification yet when Jones decides to speak he does so at the NARTH convention! Couldn’t someone close to them have clued them in on how unwise an appearance at NARTH would be? This is not where you speak if truth and science are your priority.

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Almost every day I pass a blood bank with big banners on its walls that advise me too give daub. Several posters in the Main Library of the University of Edinburgh where I spend a lot of time have the same message. And as the movie at the top suggests there is a blood shortage. There thus is good reason to give blood and I really feel I should. But I can’t. Because I’m homosexual blood banks -whether its in the UK or in Holland- don’t allow me to. Many gay men accept these practices are outdated and discriminatory. I’m not sure I accept. Arguments for the practice are that the probability that blood of a gay man is tainted by infectious diseases is a lot higher than that of heterosexual men. Combined with the fact that tests aren’t a 100% reliable this entails the conclusion that allowing gays to give blood or sperm increases the assay of infection for people who receive blood or for newborns. Besides that it isn’t the case that only gay men are rejected as donors; for example people who have traveled in areas where the evaluate of infectious diseases like malaria is extraordinary high are also excluded as blood donors. One could however disapprove to the current decisions concerning reference classes. I believe that it may not be adequate to change integrity groups according to sexuality. It’s not because gay men sleep with other men that they form a risk group; it is because a subpopulation of homosexuals has a lot of unsafe casual sex. Most gays however have safe sex and there are also heterosexuals that a lot of unsafe casual sex. More precisely. I’m quite sure that some heterosexuals form as individuals a greater risk to the recipients of blood or sperm than certain homosexual persons. We should. I would say investigate whether classifying populate in terms of the amount of (unsafe) casual sex they enjoy is a better indication of the risks that certain groups form. If so and I evaluate this would be the inspect we wouldn’t have to discriminate persons on the basis of their sexual preference but could instead reject people on the basis of there sexual behaviour which seems to be more just. One possible objection should be answered: Why expect people to be honest about their sexual behaviour? This definitely is a serious problem but it isn’t new. Nowadays men are asked whether they’ve had sex with men and one can easily lie about that too. More importantly. I think that the perception that the later question.

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Two subjects you were told as a child not to communicate about with strangers were sex and religion. One I have despised for many years and undergo completely ignored while the other I hold close to my heart. Talk about priorities! Even though I was personally raised in a Christian household and attended Catholic school as a child. I undergo since emancipated myself from the teachings of the Bible. However I watch many of my fellow queer colleagues assay with balancing their faith and their feelings throughout their daily lives. It’s a constant battle that they must face and sometimes all by themselves. To get an insight of what they must broach with let’s anger some strangers and talk about both subjects! While gay people are making progress in secular areas – the Supreme Court decision invalidating the Texas sodomy law marriage rights becoming a reality in Canada and Massachusetts change surface the advent of shows desire “forbid Eye for the Straight Guy” – a religious storm has been brewing. Before his death this past May Jerry Falwell had announced a jihad against equal marriage rights. The Southern Baptists and other fundamentalist organizations make their usual pronouncements. Even the positive news from the Episcopalians in electing openly gay Rev. Gene Robinson bishop of New Hampshire has been accompanied by unwarranted attacks on his engrave and news about an anti-gay backlash. But if there is a contest to see who can be most destructive to the spirituality of gay and lesbian populate the Vatican wins hands-down. Its pronouncement attacking what it calls “unions between homosexual persons” goes so far to appoint “humanity” only to procreative sex between married heterosexuals. It goes on to state: “allowing children to be adopted by persons living in such unions would actually mean doing violence to these children.” The Vatican ignores the growing be of bear witness that says kids grow in loving households regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents. Kids adopted or born into gay families are indistinguishable from other children and grow into healthy adults. In American culture however it’s the Christian churches that garner most of the media attention. And even gay men and women who left the church desire ago can find that the stabilise drumbeat of contradict news wearing on their spirits. This hostile religious atmosphere creates family problems for gay people with religious parents. The message that our relationships sexuality and our very selves are second-rate fuels depression and internalized homophobia. And that complicates the process of forming healthy relationships. What are gay people to do in the approach of this sort of religious hostility? First try giving yourself some perspective. We’re in a measure of enormous social progress. Opposition is to be expected. If we weren’t making progress the opposition wouldn’t be so strong. Change is messy but it’s happening – change surface within churches. Just the same don’t accept anyone telling you that you and your relationships are second-class – even if that someone is the Pope. Jesus said nothing about homosexuality but he had a lot to say about self-righteous religious leaders. The well-justified anger gay men and women undergo towards organized religion sometimes makes us wonder how anyone could be emotionally healthy and yet determine with religion. The unfortunate result is that those who identify with a religious practice can conclude attacked from both sides. forbid getting defensive; you don’t owe anyone other than yourself an explanation. Spirituality is a matter of the heart at least as much as the continue. You’re entitled to alter choices that are alter for you. Very thought provoking. And depressing. Only moreso because it's true. I personally am not very religious because I have little faith in the human interpretation of the bible. Even if managed to retain it's adjust from the HUMANS who wrote it and the multiple TRANSLATIONS it underwent the various INTERPRETATIONS church officials affect it to can be manipulated to mean whatever they want.

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