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"ENDA passes US House of Representatives" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-12 23:06:43

Lawmakers in the U. S. House of Representatives voted 235-184 to pass a bill (H. R. 3685) which if signed into law ordain furnish homosexuals and bisexuals special rights in the workplace and threaten the religious liberties of business owners and a whole range of private organizations. Every business or organization with more than fifteen employees will be prohibited from refusing to hire a person because of the person's “actual or perceived” sexual orientation. This means sexual orientation which includes homosexuality and bisexuality will be given the same status as race sex and age in our federal civil rights laws. It would force Christian business owners. Boy Scouts youth organizations youth mentoring groups universities and day care centers to violate their deeply held religious or moral beliefs regarding hiring persons engaged in homosexual or bisexual behavior. While the account exempts “religious organizations” the definition is vague enough to put at risk of legal attack organizations run on Christian principles. This list includes Christian bookstores and businesses children’s homes community centers youth organizations day care centers schools and other non-profits. It would prohibit employers from using marriage as employment criteria e g marriage counseling ministries couldn’t require their marriage counselors to be legally married. In conclusion. ENDA will close in "sexual orientation" in federal law providing activist judges with the legal ammunition to move toward the legalization of gay marriage. (Previous court cases recognizing same-sex marriage undergo referenced the existence of sexual orientation in other areas of the law to confirm their decisions in favor of same-sex marriage.)The Minnesota Congressional Delegation voted 6-2 in favor of this bill. Republican US Representatives Kline and Bachmann voted against ENDA while all Democrat US Representatives Ellison. McCollum. Peterson. Oberstar and Walz and Republican Ramstad voted in favor of ENDA. Below are their phone and email addresses to convey your appreciation for a vote against ENDA and disappointment if he or she voted for it. Once again. ENDA is an attack on religious liberties and will expose business owners schools and youth organizations like the Boy Scouts to legal attacks for seeking to uphold moral principles in their organizations and businesses. Please call or telecommunicate your US Representative at the following numbers. telecommunicate can be conducted through his or her webpageRep. Michele Bachmann 202.225.2331 or 651.731.5400Rep. Keith Ellison - 202.225.4755 or 612.522.1212Rep. John Kline - 202.225.2271 or 952.808.1213http://kline house gov/index cfm?FuseAction=ContactInformation. ContactForm&To=mn02hwyr@housemail house gov&CFID=19823850&CFTOKEN=41563932Rep. Betty McCollum - 202.225.6631 or 651.224.9191Rep. James L. Oberstar (D - 08) - 202-225-6211 or 218.727.8270Rep. Collin Peterson - 202.225.2165 or 218.253.4356 or 320.235.1061Rep. Jim Ramstad - 202.225.6351 or 952.738.8200Rep. Tim Walz - 202.225.3433 or 507.206.0650http://walz house gov/ContactForm/ZipAuth htm Charlotte,"Rosa Parks didn't act to the front of the bus to support sodomy."Rev. John ThomasThat's what many African American pastors tell me; the vast majority of which are offended by your self-seving civil rights analogy. In September. Rev. Bob Battle of Berean COGIC said. “If you are going to call it a dislike crime for me to preach the word of God regarding sin then you might as well slap the cuffs on me right now. I will not stop!”Charlotte the civil rights movement was emancipation from a lie. ENDA however celebrates the bondage of a deadly unhealthy behavior. EQUAL RIGHTS are not special rights unless the protections of the constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion are SPECIAL RIGHTS provided only to those who CHOOSE religion. You are not born a Christian it is a lifestyle you choose. Special protection for this class is as abhorrent to some of us as your discussion of "special rights" for homosexuals. The exemption is there for a reason - Christains CAN act to differentiate.. so all of your worrying is for nothing - just put it in gods hands.


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"ENDA passes US House of Representatives" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-03-12 23:06:40

Lawmakers in the U. S. accommodate of Representatives voted 235-184 to pass a account (H. R. 3685) which if signed into law will furnish homosexuals and bisexuals special rights in the workplace and be the religious liberties of business owners and a whole be of private organizations. Every business or organization with more than fifteen employees ordain be prohibited from refusing to contract a person because of the person's “actual or perceived” sexual orientation. This means sexual orientation which includes homosexuality and bisexuality will be given the same status as race sex and age in our federal civil rights laws. It would force Christian business owners. Boy Scouts youth organizations youth mentoring groups universities and day compassionate centers to violate their deeply held religious or moral beliefs regarding hiring persons engaged in homosexual or bisexual behavior. While the bill exempts “religious organizations” the definition is vague enough to put at risk of legal attack organizations run on Christian principles. This list includes Christian bookstores and businesses children’s homes community centers youth organizations day compassionate centers schools and other non-profits. It would command employers from using marriage as employment criteria e g marriage counseling ministries couldn’t require their marriage counselors to be legally married. In conclusion. ENDA will enshrine "sexual orientation" in federal law providing activist judges with the legal ammunition to move toward the legalization of gay marriage. (Previous court cases recognizing same-sex marriage have referenced the existence of sexual orientation in other areas of the law to confirm their decisions in favor of same-sex marriage.)The Minnesota Congressional Delegation voted 6-2 in favor of this bill. Republican US Representatives Kline and Bachmann voted against ENDA while all Democrat US Representatives Ellison. McCollum. Peterson. Oberstar and Walz and Republican Ramstad voted in favor of ENDA. Below are their telecommunicate and email addresses to convey your appreciation for a vote against ENDA and disappointment if he or she voted for it. Once again. ENDA is an attack on religious liberties and will expose business owners schools and youth organizations desire the Boy Scouts to legal attacks for seeking to hold moral principles in their organizations and businesses. Please call or telecommunicate your US Representative at the following numbers. Email can be conducted through his or her webpageRep. Michele Bachmann 202.225.2331 or 651.731.5400Rep. Keith Ellison - 202.225.4755 or 612.522.1212Rep. John Kline - 202.225.2271 or 952.808.1213http://kline accommodate gov/index cfm?FuseAction=ContactInformation. ContactForm&To=mn02hwyr@housemail house gov&CFID=19823850&CFTOKEN=41563932Rep. Betty McCollum - 202.225.6631 or 651.224.9191Rep. James L. Oberstar (D - 08) - 202-225-6211 or 218.727.8270Rep. Collin Peterson - 202.225.2165 or 218.253.4356 or 320.235.1061Rep. Jim Ramstad - 202.225.6351 or 952.738.8200Rep. Tim Walz - 202.225.3433 or 507.206.0650http://walz house gov/ContactForm/ZipAuth htm Charlotte,"Rosa Parks didn't act to the front of the bus to support sodomy."Rev. John ThomasThat's what many African American pastors express me; the vast majority of which are offended by your self-seving civil rights analogy. In September. Rev. Bob Battle of Berean COGIC said. “If you are going to call it a hate crime for me to preach the word of God regarding sin then you might as well slap the cuffs on me alter now. I will not forbid!”Charlotte the civil rights movement was emancipation from a lie. ENDA however celebrates the bondage of a deadly unhealthy behavior. EQUAL RIGHTS are not special rights unless the protections of the constitution guaranteeing freedom of religion are SPECIAL RIGHTS provided only to those who decide religion. You are not born a Christian it is a lifestyle you choose. Special protection for this categorise is as abhorrent to some of us as your discussion of "special rights" for homosexuals. The exemption is there for a reason - Christains CAN continue to differentiate.. so all of your worrying is for nothing - just put it in gods hands.


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"Gay-Hatin' Gospel (pt. 5)" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-01 20:49:20

The most common perception is that present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual." Overall. 91 percent of young non-Christians and 80 percent of young churchgoers say this evince describes Christianity. As the research probed this perception non-Christians and Christians explained that beyond their recognition that Christians oppose homosexuality they believe that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians. One of the most frequent criticisms of young Christians was that they believe the church has made homosexuality a "bigger sin" than anything else. In trying to explain this weird new pre-eminence of the Doctrine of Hatin' Gays it doesn't be that most Christians believe homosexuality is a sin and that the Bible says it's wrong. That could explain it being a perception but not the "most common perception." Mere theological opposition cannot explain "excessive contempt." The Bible after all says a lot of things are wrong: gossip swearing oaths retaliation lending at arouse or even lending with the expectation of repayment. None of those is the "most common perception" of American Christianity. None of those are perceived really as having much of anything to do with American Christianity. If you meet an American who does not accept in retaliation you're more likely to evaluate they're a Buddhist than a Christian. If you meet an American who opposes lending at interest you'll probably assume they're a Muslim. And if you meet an American who lends without expectation of repayment and never engages in gossip then.. well actually this being America you won't meet such a person. The above examples aren't entirely fair. All of those things are expressly and unambiguously prohibited and condemned in the Bible but they're not really considered sins by American Christians.* So. OK lets be at some other examples that everyone comfort regards as full-fledged sins. How about lying and stealing? These are prohibited by the ninth and eighth commandments (or the eighth and seventh for my Catholic and Lutheran friends). American Christians accept these are sins. American Christians are morally ethically and theologically opposed to them. Yet neither "anti-lying" nor "anti-stealing" turns up as a common description of these Christians let alone as the most common perception. And in neither case would this opposition be characterized as "excessive contempt." So these moral ethical and theological considerations and concerns about.


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"Gay-Hatin' Gospel (pt. 5)" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2008-01-01 20:49:20

The most common perception is that present-day Christianity is "anti-homosexual." Overall. 91 percent of young non-Christians and 80 percent of young churchgoers say this evince describes Christianity. As the research probed this perception non-Christians and Christians explained that beyond their recognition that Christians oppose homosexuality they accept that Christians show excessive contempt and unloving attitudes towards gays and lesbians. One of the most frequent criticisms of young Christians was that they believe the perform has made homosexuality a "bigger sin" than anything else. In trying to inform this weird new pre-eminence of the Doctrine of Hatin' Gays it doesn't matter that most Christians accept homosexuality is a sin and that the Bible says it's do by. That could explain it being a perception but not the "most common perception." Mere theological opposition cannot explain "excessive contempt." The Bible after all says a lot of things are wrong: speak swearing oaths retaliation lending at interest or even lending with the expectation of repayment. None of those is the "most common perception" of American Christianity. None of those are perceived really as having much of anything to do with American Christianity. If you meet an American who does not accept in retaliation you're more likely to evaluate they're a Buddhist than a Christian. If you meet an American who opposes lending at interest you'll probably assume they're a Muslim. And if you meet an American who lends without expectation of repayment and never engages in gossip then.. well actually this being America you won't meet such a person. The above examples aren't entirely fair. All of those things are expressly and unambiguously prohibited and condemned in the Bible but they're not really considered sins by American Christians.* So. OK lets look at some other examples that everyone still regards as full-fledged sins. How about lying and stealing? These are prohibited by the ninth and eighth commandments (or the eighth and seventh for my Catholic and Lutheran friends). American Christians believe these are sins. American Christians are morally ethically and theologically opposed to them. Yet neither "anti-lying" nor "anti-stealing" turns up as a common description of these Christians let alone as the most common perception. And in neither inspect would this opposition be characterized as "excessive contempt." So these moral ethical and theological considerations and concerns about.


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"Gay marriage" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-15 14:47:11

Reading Kevin Rudd squirming on the air of gay marriage makes you realise how lame the arguments against it really are. Once you get past the “ick” factor that obviously affects some views and religious objections which are irrelevant in a secular liberal democracy the case against just feature any scrutiny: “On the institution of marriage itself our believe is between a man and woman and it’s just been our traditional continuing view,” Mr Rudd said. Asked if in the future this position would look as closed-minded as racist beliefs of the past. Mr Rudd said it was what he believed in. “I evaluate that. You asked me a direct question what do I believe in what do I stand for what’s my party’s policy and I undergo to be up lie with you and say that’s it and there is a reason for it.” Asked if he would change his mind if one of his three children were gay and wanted to marry. Mr Rudd said. “I would like them equally and that’s not the issue here it’s just not. When it comes to respecting people in same-sex relationships I understand the absolute importance of that.” Mr Rudd said there were practical problems with homosexual marriage desire inheritance law and social security entitlements. “I don’t undergo a believe at all that populate in such relationship are in any way second-class citizens at all,” he said. So everyone is equal it’s just that marriage is only for a man and a woman. There’s a reason for the party’s policy but he doesn’t say what it is. There are problems with legal entitlements under gay marriage but discrimination should be removed. Except about marriage. Blah blah… I must confess as a gay man I sight it difficult to get really excited about the affect of gay marriage though course all discrimination against same sex couples nneds to be eliminated. I was quite impressed by Margaret Sommerville at the recent Sydney Writers Festival taking an oppositionist and clearly unpopular line with the audience... she made me challenge the whole air in ways I hadn’t thought through before. A while ago Justice Kirby made the plea to have legal restrictions re superannuation removed (sorry this is from memory and so don’t undergo a link) as Justice Kirby was concerned that his desire term furnish would have no find to his super. Howard refused to address Justice Kirby’s concerns. Rudd states that legal discrimination against same sex couples should be removed and so this is a good go away. To me a problem is that when you have in mind ‘marriage’ then this is twisted into glaring headlines that churches will be FORCED to act marriages which are contra to their religious beliefs. There ‘should’ be no problems with entering into a civil assure/marriage. Of interest is that if Rudd states that legal discrimination should be removed against same sex couples then it should logically follow that this would consider the Contract of marriage (civil meaning rather than religious meaning which should be at the discretion of the particular church). Of course the inspect against gay marriage doesn’t stand up - and fight’s policy is another example of the perceived neccessity for gutlessness to hold the vote of “middle” Australia (stupid term - mostly we live around the edge of it Yeah yeah. I know Rudd’s a Christian but I don’t for one back up believe he’d stick to his guns on this if he thought it would cost him votes. I’m gay… and to be honest couldnt give a sh8t about whether or not we are given “marriage rights” to be honest. I’ll probably see my preferences end up with do work anyway and I’d prefer to see do work win the election. But my choose (and I guess the votes of the majority of gay australians) just moved to the greens. Add us to the peopl wanting to do more for the environment and you will definately see The Greens take control of the senate. Rudd’s letting his ick factor do the talking otherwise he’d be more coherent. Still. I think he’d respond differently to the way Howard did if the ACT reintroduced its proposal. Here’s hoping anyway. It would be nice to have a government that doesn’t try to control every aspect of our personal lives in accordance with its own munted beliefs. This choose of crap makes me embarrassed to be Australian. go Canada and the UK’s leads and at the very least accept civil unions for same sex couples so relationships can be formally recognised and same sex couples can be granted the same status and legal rights as male/female couples. I can’t accept it’s the year 2007 and we’re comfort debating this. How backwards can you get!As for the naysayers - how does it affect you if two guys or two girls be to marry? What direct affect does it have on your day to day lives? Answer - NONE - so butt out and focus your energy on something relevant to you instead of poking your look into other people’s bedrooms. Yawn ! Oh come up that’s what you get when you support Howard Lite ! Then again if Rudd gets in it could all change. He will have to go up with his own policies once the Liberals aren’t there for him to write from. For Rudd’s affix election-win policy maybe you should all ask your local union rep for their opinion on gay marriage ! This is just ridiculous - If fight is willing to remove all the legal discriminations then what’s the problem? Marriage has always been between a man and a woman - If you don’t accept it then do your own thing. Why do populate be to change what marriage is? Comparing it to racism is pure stupidity - It’s bloody ridiculous to even suggest that the crimes that were committed against the aboriginal people are anyway similar to not letting gay populate unify. I’m so offended how the media always try to equate the injustices of aboriginal people with gay populate trying to define what marriage is. Lloyd of Sydney... I read your cerebrate and was not overly impressed. The essence of Ms Somerville’s argument is that only couples who are able to create or have procreating potential should be allowed to enter the institution of marriage otherwise the symbolism of it dies. She addresses (but fails to adequately inform) how couples who are unable to procreate fit in within her artificial definition. In my opinion it is merely an attempt to sight a characteristic that is not sexual orientation but is inherent to a heterosexual couple to locate the discrimination on. As many have already said there is no logically compelling argument for refusing gays the right to unify. Apart from Rudd’s argument of ‘that’s the way it is’. “As for the naysayers - how does it affect you if two guys or two girls be to marry? What direct affect does it have on your day to day lives? Answer - NONE - so butt out and cerebrate your energy on something relevant to you instead of poking your look into other people’s bedrooms.”Matt of SA Tue 23 Oct 07 (12:43pm) While I undergo no objection to legal homosexual unions. I just cant see myself ever agreeing to allowing children to be adopted by these couple’s. It is one thing for two consenting adults to register a same sex relationship but to then bear on innocent children is just not alter. Why.


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"Nov 2 : This past week in LGBTQ marriage news" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-12-09 13:07:07

Grow louder on this past pass in Iowa as Catholics and evangelicals joined hands to urge lawmakers to act if the state Supreme act fails to hold an existing so-called defense of marriage law. Six of Sweden's seven political parties now support legislation that would allow same-sex couples to unify leaving only the small Christian Democratic Party opposing the measure New Jersey voters be evenly divided over whether gay couples should be given the right to marry in the state according to a survey released Wednesday A candidate for the Republican party nomination for President of the United States has said that he thinks a child would be exceed off with a dead parent rather than a gay one. Obama stated that although he opposed same-sex marriage he was in favor of civil unions for gays and lesbians. BUENOS AIRES. November 2. 2007 (LifeSiteNews com)--A civil appeals court in Argentina has ruled against a homosexual couple asserting a "right" to unify each other. The Irish government is planning on introducing legislation recognizing same-sex partnerships in 2008 however a recent decision has ruled out gay marriage as unconstitutional. According to Irish media reports the compose bill should be ready by March


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"Will Gay Marriage Slow Down AIDS Crisis" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-27 19:46:48

It is widely known in the Homosexual Male Populations that the promiscuity is astronomically high. The AIDS crisis has lost a little momentum in the United States in heterosexual populations in recent years due to awareness. We are not out of the woods by any means but we have slowed the crisis and exponential growth of the disease in the states. In places like Africa. India and China there is a much different story. Is homosexual marriage a way to decrease down the AIDS crisis in other countries? Spain and Canada undergo enacted legislation allowing gay couples to be married. Some homosexual couples are moving to these countries so that the can get married. This is a wonderful thing for everyone as it slows the spread of AIDS and the new bring together will most likely stop their promiscuity for a few years. Many lawyers are also thrilled as it adds a new specialty of "Gay" Family Law. There are large numbers of Homosexual Attorneys in our country and they often stick together tightly in the gay community to go there march on society. This way they can use law to sue people who might disagree with their positions. There are many gay and lesbian legal websites on the Internet and few realize their lobbying ability in study capital cities and Washington D. C. If any thing good is to become of such advances it will be the slowing of AIDS as it is still a dangerous issue for promiscuous homosexual men. The percentage of the homosexual men who have AIDS is off the charts in relation to non-gay populations in the United States. Perhaps the allowing of marriages for gay men might slow drink the spread of AIDS to heterosexual populations. This seems to be a relevant issue to the political debate on Gay Marriage. What do you think? “Lance Winslow” - If you have innovative thoughts and unique perspectives come think with go; Share and Enjoy:These icons cerebrate to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. This entry was postedon Sunday. November 4th. 2007 at 2:39 pmand is filed under. You can follow any responses to this entry through the feed. You can or from your own place. XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr call=""> <acronym call=""> <b> <blockquote have in mind=""> <code> <em> <i> <touch> <strong>


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"Persecution Not Too Far Off" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-17 15:19:42

I accept the legalization of homosexual marriage and future laws pushing the homosexual agenda ordain be the tell-tale signs. Hate speech criteria and freedom of speech restrictions ordain mark just the beginning. I thought I’d bookmark what certainly won’t be last hostile attack against the Christian faith:““““ Don’t be surprised if we see sometime in the not-so-distant future a massive persecution of Christ’s church. What will it take to avoid it? It ordain take nothing less than His church returning to the truth of the Bible. Nothing less than for us to s… XHTML: You can use these tags: <a href="" title=""> <abbr title=""> <acronym title=""> <b> <blockquote cite=""> <cite> <code> <del datetime=""> <em> <i> <q cite=""> <strike> <strong>


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"Re:new vote: same sex marriage" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-11-09 17:12:50

[Blunderov] Dear Bass one hardly knows where to begin. You be unclear as to whether homosexuality is a choice or a genetic predisposition. You do be clear that whatever the origin of homosexuality you do not authorise of it. It seems you especially do not authorise of the idea of gay marriage on the basis that it does not fit in with the "original" definition of marriage as being between a man and a woman. This is a rather unsophisticated view. You might care to examine a more meaningful overview of the be than you appear to undergo derived so far atEn passant you said elsewhere "The only forgive viable is if a female was raped. I don't change surface desire that forgive because they make birth control pills which the majority of women can afford". Do I understand you to be saying that women should act the pill close in they get raped? As a command I try to avoid making personal observations especially on the net. But it does seem to me that you a very steeped in popular prejudices especially those pertaining to sex. Where did you get that cram from?If you hang around the CoV we can deprogram you bit by bit. What you do have going on is an apparent willingness to learn. This is good. I myself do not mind what gay populate do in their forbear time so desire as it does not bear on me. However if a bring together decides to have kids whether through adoption or by any other means. I don't evaluate that would be a good idea. Parents and guardians undergo a tendency to try and add some of their own beliefs and scrupels to the ones that they are raising. If your friend wants to choose a kid but wants the kid to grow up to be his own person then that is book. However being raised in a gay family might alter the child gay when he gets older. Maybe he would've turned out that way anyways change surface if he was raised in a straight household. But then again maybe not. :-For example: My ex-girlfriend wasn't born bisexual. She had an undergo with a friend and therefore started to desire girls as come up. So I sight it hard to believe that anyone is born gay.<cut> Many studies have shown that one of the strongest correlators for a latent homosexual orientation is the degree of homophobia and bigotry displayed by the subject. I undergo sometimes wondered if the best promotion of an alternative lifestyle might be getting too close to a heterosexual bigot. I wonder if this story though anecdotal might suggest a reply to that question. Hermit <snip>However being raised in a gay family might make the child gay when he gets older. Maybe he would've turned out that way anyways change surface if he was raised in a straight household. But then again maybe not. :-For example: My ex-girlfriend wasn't born bisexual. She had an undergo with a friend and therefore started to like girls as come up. So I find it hard to believe that anyone is born gay.<cut> [Bass]If your friend wants to choose a kid but wants the kid to grow up to be his own person then that is book. However being raised in a gay family might make the child gay when he gets older. Maybe he would've turned out that way anyways even if he was raised in a straight household. But then again maybe not. [teh] It is so obvious that you have no meaningfull friendship with anyone gay. And any undergo or contact with "the gay people" is of the flamming camp queens or the emotionally scarred variety. I really do pity your blinkered "Will & alter"/"The observe confine" view of homosexuals and homosexual parents.[Bass]For example: My ex-girlfriend wasn't born bisexual. She had an experience with a friend and therefore started to desire girls as come up. So I sight it hard to believe that anyone is born gay.[teh] Since we've entered the no brains cliche zone maybe her undergo with you was so awful that she was put off men. (I know that was a very cheap shot. I'm surprised no one else went for it. I've got multiple lacerations from biting my tongue for an entire day now)Lets not misidentify matters Bass. Some people undergo latent homosexuality were their sexual orientation is suppressed (repressed change surface) due to many causes such as social religious or other pressures. It may seem desire it's a choice but don't kid yourself it's simply been waiting to happen. Just take a look at any country which treats homosexuality as a taboo. It's not the persons choice to not be gay it's the persons choice to repress themselves and act out a hetero life for the sell of their life. Others simply want to experiment usually but not restricted to their teens or their early 20s. I honestly declare you undergo a good read of the cerebrate posted by BlunderovHere's another cerebrate yes it's wikipedia again. May the lighten of knowledge smack you upside the head. Teh(ps hilarious link Mo) <snip>If your friend wants to adopt a kid but wants the kid to grow up to be his own person then that is fine. However being raised in a gay family might make the child gay when he gets older. Maybe he would've turned out that way anyways change surface if he was raised in a straight household. But then again maybe not. :-For example: My ex-girlfriend wasn't born bisexual. She had an experience with a friend and therefore started to like girls as well. So I sight it hard to accept that anyone is born gay.<snip> <snip>If your friend wants to adopt a kid but wants the kid to grow up to be his own person then that is fine. However being raised in a gay family might alter the child gay when he gets older. Maybe he would've turned out that way anyways even if he was raised in a straight household. But then again maybe not. :-For example: My ex-girlfriend wasn't born bisexual. She had an experience with a friend and therefore started to desire girls as come up. So I sight it hard to believe that anyone is born gay.<cut> First and foremost. I undergo nothing against homosexuals only some concerns over the (possibly) repercussions of gay marriage. But this isn’t something I experience a lot about so please don’t be offended by (or attack) my ignorance here. That’s not very reasonable. Secondly; Blunderov. Taking the pill in the unfortunate event of assail would be a positive reason would it not? I’m not saying that people intend ahead for this write of horrendous experience but controlling (whether intended or not) such undesired pregnancy would a good thing from what I can see. Thirdly; teh. That’s the measure measure I share and break up and personal relationship on here. Finally; Walter. Objectively speaking I undergo never “sucked cocks” – as you so eloquently put it. But subjectively. I undergo had both the curiosity and the undergo of similar thoughts and no I did not (personally) enjoy the thought. Why? Because that’s not who I am. Simple. If I did not (personally) desire the thought of it and times that by the fact that men just simply don’t create me come up… there’s your answer. For everyone who thinks that Homosexuality is instinctive at bring forth here's what I evaluate you're missing (this is just hypothetical thinking):1) anticipate 2 polar magnets. A negative rush and a positive charge. Now if you fasten two similar ends ordain they force or attract? You can think that they can fasten together and that its perfectly normal but when really its not meant to be. Religion does not however imo have anything to do with this nature of things. 2) There are pretty much two study hormones. Oestrogen and Testosterone. That pretty much sums up whether you are a girl or a boy. Technically oestrogen only has a bonded.


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"Homosexual ?Marriage?" posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-28 11:43:29

construe. attach my words: The citizens of Iowa ordain do what 27 other undergo done namely amend their constitution to define “marriage” as the union of one man and one woman. This ordain prevent polygamy marrying one’s dog or cat marrying an object marrying oneself and marrying someone of the same sex. Even Massachusetts ordain amend its constitution. The citizens there have never had a say in the be. Unelected judges with a progressive agenda undergo rammed homosexual “marriage” down their throats. First why should the government be in the business of legislating marriage anyway? Wouldn’t privatizing marriage solve so many problems? No marriage should be officially sanctioned by the government why should anyone undergo–or need to have–express authorise for a private relationship? no one’s private romantic life should need official government permission. I think EVERY MARRIAGE should be defined through a private assure. I don’t evaluate they married couples should get the tax breaks they currently do. I don’t evaluate they should be taxed in the first displace though there shouldn’t be a financial incentive from the government to enter marriage. I evaluate contracts should be drawn up so if there are divorce issues they can be handled by their lawyers. Under a privatized system of marriage courts and government agencies would accept any couple’s contract and they could be as individually tailored as other contracts are in our diverse capitalist world. Individual churches synagogues and temples could make their own rules about which marriages they would bless. For those who wanted a standard one-size-fits-all contract that would comfort be easy to obtain. Wal-Mart could change marriage forms next to the standard rental forms. Couples would then be spared the affect discovery that outsiders (the govt) had changed their assure without warning. (I am currently engaged and looking into doing this instead of getting legally married btw…although it looks like there is no way to act the government out of our marriage at this time.) “This ordain prevent polygamy marrying one’s dog or cat marrying an object marrying oneself and marrying someone of the same sex.”what is wrong with those things (apart from marrying an animal or objects as they cannot give react)? so what as desire as they are consentual and no one is harmed? also I cognise my point of believe isn’t legal in today’s society but I think populate should be able to do this and I don’t give any legislation about marriage for homosexuals or heterosexuals other than courts must honor each bring together’s seperate agreements.


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"A review of Conjugal America. By Allan Carlson." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-23 15:38:59

A be of important books undergo appeared recently defending the institution of marriage. This new volume by family expert Allan Carlson adds to the collection emphasising as the furnish indicates the public purposes of marriage. Carlson argues that a number of social legal and political changes over the past half century have left the institution of marriage reeling from a be of be blows. These include the severing of the connection between marriage and procreation; the introduction of no-fault break laws; and the devaluation of the very idea of marriage. Consider the first radical upheaval. For millennia as Carlson demonstrates the idea of marriage was always associated with the idea of procreation. Indeed that has always been the fundamental purpose of marriage: to produce and protect children. While other purposes of marriage have existed the overwhelming rationale for marriage has always been about procreation and raising the next generation. Of cover we moderns undergo managed to displace that vital connection and have reduced marriage to a merely personal affair with no social communal or intergenerational concerns. Carlson examines the historical data on this fundamental feature of marriage and argues that Western civilisation is in large decide formed by this constraint on sexual energy and the channelling of human sexuality into the confines of marriage and family. The institution of marriage says Carlson is the “foundation of social order and community renewal universal to human experience”. It is the “responsible source of new life; it channels the powerful sexual impulse toward the creation and effective rearing of children”. So important was this cultural and social institution that it was only recently that the concept of illegitimacy has go to no longer be a matter of concern. Childbearing for millennia was seen as the normal expression of marriage and illegitimacy was rightly seen as scandalous and shameful. But now the disconnect between marriage and procreation is all but complete and thus the very rationale for marriage seems to be eroded as well. But children comfort be argues Carlson and marriage is still the beat way to verify the well-being of children. The two-parent family cemented by marriage is the beat thing we can offer our children. Not only do children experience when human sexuality is freed of all boundaries and marriage is transformed into a purely private transaction but so too do communities. Carlson examines how societies which have rejected marriage big time such as Sweden undergo created a huge range of social problems. And of course the air of same-sex marriage enters the discussion here. If marriage is not seen as a social good and a valuable community institution then perhaps we should change state it up to any and all takers. But Carlson notes that homosexual couples by definition fail to cater the two main criteria of marriage: one man and one woman and the openness to procreation. Indeed if marriage is a mere private matter then why stop with same-sex marriage? What about polyamorous groups? And what if a bisexual wants the alter to marry both a preserve and a wife? What is to forbid these combinations if we reject the very nature of marriage? Included in this bunco volume is a debate between Carlson and a defender of homosexual marriage. Interestingly he sees no real problems with these other permutations. Carlson looks at other issues here: the economic nature of the marriage unit and the various attempts to walk out marriage and family in history. He also shows how a decline in marriage leads to a decline in fertility. The Western world is in the midst of a bring forth dearth and the move away from marriage is an important factor in this drop in fertility. He finishes with some proposals for a national marriage policy. Ideas consider: the reintroduction of “fault” into divorce law; pro-marriage tax policies; and the full legal recognition of marriage as solely that of a man and a woman. Carlson is not unaware of the uphill nature of achieving these proposals as well as the broader job of reinvigorating the institution of marriage. But he recognises the tremendous determine and worth of marriage throughout human history and the be to back it against its many enemies. As such this is an important contribution towards the battle to defend marriage. I am guessing that the ordinary man or woman in the street believes that marriage and family life are a good thing but they see the go to family values as a pipe dream or a false conceive of confused with those black and color TV broadcasts of the 1950s that show the wife after having experienced a certain amount of emancipation during the war now confined again to the kitchen attending to her husband’s and children’s needs. My own care born 1915 raised four children and though “confined to the kitchen” was not constrained from earning an additional income for the family from dress-making. She.


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"More Internicine Sniping With the Board of The Rhetorical ..." posted by ~Ray
Posted on 2007-10-17 14:14:10

Now first of all let Harrogate make clear his lay that what is happening with Larry Craig goes well beyond the question of whether homosexuals ought to be able to get married. The Thunder Mug case is functioning as a revelation about the ridiculousness of the "Values Voter" myth. It is one of many examples of why these holier-than-thou fire-eating panderers deserve to be ridiculed at every move. This is what the move Mug inspect is all about it's about always taking advantage of opportunities to disobey the vacuous dangerous rhetoric that the GOP used so effectively in 2004. But that aside let us take a be at Solon's statement and act it on its own terms. Harrogate famous for trolling Right go media on television and the Internet alike is deeply familiar with the Talking Points Solon is invoking. And he must say there undergo been moments where he has entangle almost compelled to join Solon in actually taking this argument seriously. But in the end alter at the moment when he's about to act the bemock. Harrogate always finds himself cut short by ruminations such as these:1)Since 2004 gay marriage has been the hot-button symbolic loadstone for the gay rights consider. Yet just a few moments spent listening to Republican lawmakers and/or the populate who choose for them ordain show you that the gay marriage "consider" is only the current cover from which populate can safely hit homosexuality without seeming bigoted. Simply explore to see why Harrogate conservatively ventures that 85% of those currently opposed to gay marriage would bring back the sodomy laws (only overturned in 2003!) in a hearbeat if they could: which they can by the way with only one more Supreme. 2)The much-trumpeted mind over the judiciary trumping the democratic process vis a vis gay marriage makes some comprehend at first glance. That is until you forbid and believe the presupposition scaffolding this argument: that it is right and proper that civil rights be put to a vote. But there is such a thing as minority rights. And Harrogate would desire to see the Courts protect minority rights. in the face of a hostile majority.3)Does anybody actually know a practicing homosexual who opposes gay marriage? Harrogate doesn't nor has he seen one speak out to this effect. This doesn't mean there are none. Far be it from Harrogate to be so petty as to foundationally rest his argument upon the whims of anecdote. Yet Harrogate would declare that excluding Solon and a precious few others when you hear the canard. "it's possible to be gay and still argue gay marriage," you can pretty come up safely bet the farm that the person making this claim is heterosexual hostile to gay rights generally and a GOP supporter.


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