Editorial Comment re: NCR Editorial Policyfrom Nicole Sotelo. CTAI thought you would be happy to see this week's issues of NCR that covers the RCWP movement. No matter one's opinion on it it is a heartening sign that NCR is not shy now from covering controversy and church reform/revolution issues: In fact here is a quote from the Sr. Rita's "From the Editor's Desk" letter in the issue that seems to confirm what we have surmised that under her leadership church reform issues will be covered: "As independent journalists we have taken seriously the words of Pope Paul VI who once described the press as "a mirror" that ought to reflect "the truth of events of facts of daily happenings." Using this as our guide we chose to tell the story of women who believe they have been called by God to priesthood and who now hold that they are validly ordained within the Roman Catholic church. We think it serves our readers to let these women tell their own personal stories to present themselves their motives and their intentions as essential to the human dimensions of the larger story of women in the church and world. To do less would be to fail our mission."Finished playing by the rulesFrom the Editor's DeskGiven that the Vatican has banned Catholics from so much as talking about women deacons or priests is it surprising that some women are opting to fast-forward to action? They aren’t discussing whether women should be ordained; they aren’t asking for permission to be ordained; they are just doing what as they see it a church crying “priest shortage” needs them to do. These are women who have faithfully served the church in many ways putting their own wishes on hold. Until finally they have said. “Enough.”When even the deeply traditional Greek Orthodox church finds a way to authorize ordaining women deacons how is it that Roman Catholic church officials get by with treating women as they do: as if they were children -- so infantile that their dreams for themselves and for the church are unworthy of even serious talk. Fortunately numerous ordained men even bishops with a stronger sense of justice and more courage than the rest have come forward to assist assuring that these illegal women priests are validly situated in the apostolic line. We find it fascinating that while church officials assert these “simulated” ordinations lack meaning some of the women have received the Vatican’s highest penalty -- formal excommunication. In other cases as in the recent St. Louis ordinations the hierarchy has tried various tactics aimed at bringing these women to heel. The hierarchy is rightly nervous about women declaring themselves ordained however illegally because these ceremonies carry a strong implicit message. Well-educated women loyal to the church know that the historical and theological reasoning advanced for excluding them from ordination is dangerously thin. Citing the growing number of priestless parishes worldwide they make a compelling case for a different kind of church -- an inclusive church in which both men and women whether married or not heterosexual or homosexual can participate at all levels. They know that polls show they have significant backing given that some 70 percent of the Catholic faithful in the United States support women priests. So like Catholics who ignore many of the church’s other bans -- on birth control on single-gender lifestyles on divorce and remarriage -- because they find little in these teachings that corresponds to their own experience of what is right and good these women in the vein of other defiant trailblazers are saying we are finished playing by the rules. Whither women priests? Perhaps they will become yet another breakaway movement as many church officials must drearily hope. Or depending on the faithful’s response these women could conceivably drag the church into the 21st century. We’ll pray for that. Ordination timeline1974Eleven women are ordained irregularly as Episcopal priests prompting that denomination to approve women priests.1990sPublic revelations surface that women were secretly ordained priests to serve in underground churches behind the Iron Curtain.2001Book about Czech woman priest Ludmila Javorova ordained during Communist years is published; also this year the Spiritus Christi community in Rochester. N. Y. ordains Mary Ramerman.2002Roman Catholic Womenpriests begins when a male Roman Catholic bishop ordains seven women in a boat on the Danube River.2003Bishops ordain three people in the Womenpriests organization.*2004Six people are ordained in Womenpriests; also this year the Greek Orthodox church decides to restore the order of the diaconate for women.2005Thirteen people are ordained in Womenpriests; Patricia Fresen becomes a bishop.2006Seventeen people are ordained in Womenpriests.2007Twenty-three people are ordained in Womenpriests including the two women ordained priests in St. Louis Nov. 11. By Fresen’s count. 50 people including six men have now been ordained worldwide by the Roman Catholic Womenpriests movement. There are four bishops in the movement.. Though church bans women priests more and more women are saying. 'Why wait?'By PAMELA SCHAEFFER“What a day. What an occasion. What a rabbi!”The speaker was Patricia Fresen a bishop in the Roman Catholic Womenpriests movement. The day. Nov. 11; the occasion a jubilant ceremony at a Jewish synagogue during which Fresen would ordain two women -- the latest of a series of such ceremonies aimed at helping women to fulfill what they say is their calling: to serve the church as Catholic priests. Fresen presider and homilist at the event is a former Dominican nun of 45 years and a former seminary professor in South Africa. As a native English-speaker she oversees the movement’s formation program for candidates in English-speaking countries and has quickly become its best-known bishop in the United States. Though still a small organization. Roman Catholic Womenpriests has grown exponentially since it began just five years ago with the ordination of the so-called Danube Seven -- seven women ordained on a boat on the Danube River in 2002. The growth -- its leading edge in North America -- has surprised some met expectations of others and is clearly worrying some members of the church hierarchy. Their mission“Roman Catholic Womenpriests is an international initiative within the Roman Catholic church. The mission of Roman Catholic Womenpriests North America is to spiritually prepare ordain and support women and men from all states of life who are theologically qualified who are committed to an inclusive model of church and who are called by the Holy Spirit and their communities to minister within the Roman Catholic church.” -- www romancatholicwomenpriests org“We have a lot of new applicants,” Fresen said in an interview the week before the ordinations. “I now have five assistant program coordinators and we can barely keep up. It has amazed me. We never thought it would take off like this.”Given the international dimensions of the movement and the increasing frequency of ordinations tracking the numbers has been a bit tricky but Bridget Mary Meehan. U. S spokeswoman finds it “a nice problem to have.” By Fresen’s count since those first ordinations in 2002. 50 people -- including six men -- have been ordained bringing the total to 37 in the United States and Canada and 50 worldwide. Leaders report that another hundred or so have entered the movement’s formal pre-ordination training program. In the United States the rising numbers prompted a decision last fall to divide the country into five regions to deal more effectively with the demand. In many cases the women who have been ordained and many now coming forward are the very women dioceses and parishes have relied on to fill ministry gaps as numbers of Catholic clergy have declined. These are women “of a certain age” -- often in their 60s -- who have faithfully served in parishes archdiocesan offices health care settings and educational institutions for years even decades while they watched their hair turn gray. A common theme is one of women who long felt called to the priesthood and have tried to live out that call by serving where they could putting any hope of ordination on hold. But as they looked down the road at the church they would leave for their children and grandchildren some said they decided it was now or never realizing they had little to lose. Particularly in the United States many Catholic women have studied theology -- a prerequisite for being ordained by the movement and the reason some are not surprised by the growth. Also required is a year- or two-year-long training program involving study of sacramental theology and a liturgical component that calls for mentoring by a priest. Ordained men including former priests and active priests who support the movement have stepped in to serve as mentors. Fresen said. Fresen noted that numerous inquiries had come from women religious in the United States some of whom have long harbored hopes of ordination or of seeing other women ordained. “Some congregations have discussed this at the top level,” Fresen said. “It is one of my deepest hopes that women religious will move toward this,” despite personal and collective risks such as upsetting donors or losing jobs particularly in cases where sisters work for the church. Women priests cite a variety of events that fueled their courage to violate a law they find unjust: the church’s law that only celibate men can be priests. For Fresen the struggle against apartheid in her homeland played a major role. Her religious congregation the King William’s Town Dominicans joined with others in the 1970s to challenge laws of apartheid. Inspired to resistance by Nelson Mandela then-Archbishop Denis Hurley of Durban and other courageous leaders they illegally integrated their schools and sheltered activists of all races enduring terrifying police raids in their convents and risking their lives.“Those were dangerous years but they helped to prepare me for the present struggle for justice for women in which I have become involved,” she said. Key momentsOther historic events more directly linked to women priests include ordinations of the “Philadelphia 11,” the 11 women ordained irregularly as Episcopal priests in 1974 resulting in that denomination’s swift if still controversial decision to approve women priests. There was the public revelation in the 1990s that women had been secretly ordained priests to serve in underground churches behind the Iron Curtain. The story of one such woman. Ludmila Javorova became the subject of a book by Miriam Therese Winter published in 2001. That same year in December after protracted tensions with Catholic authorities over liberal practices the Spiritus Christi community in Rochester. N. Y. ordained a woman. Mary Ramerman in a ceremony that drew participants from faraway states and overseas. A harbinger of the sorts of communities the Womenpriests’ movement would create. Spiritus Christi supported priestly roles for women celebrated gay unions and offered Communion to non-Catholics in violation of church law. Then in a startling development the rigidly traditional Greek Orthodox church decided in 2004 to restore the order of the diaconate for women citing authoritative sources that the church had ordained women as deacons at least through the Middle Ages. Meanwhile in Europe some women who had begun meeting in the late 1990s decided their own time had come and with ordination in mind began enrolling in universities to study theology. A major stumbling block was overcome when Bishop Romulo Braschi of Argentina (regarded by the Vatican as schismatic) agreed to ordain them. That ordination on the Danube River near the town of Passau on the border between Germany and Austria marked the beginning for Roman Catholic Womenpriests. Rabbi Susan Talve spiritual leader of Central Reform Congregation welcomes worshipers gathered for the ordinations of Elsie Hainz McGrath and Rose Marie Dunn Hudson. Each year the numbers of ordained have leaped upward. In 2003 three were ordained including two of the movement’s four bishops. In 2004 six were ordained; in 2005. 13; in 2006. 17; in 2007. 23. The ordained include both priests and deacons. The diaconate for Roman Catholic Womenpriests is transitional as it is for men becoming Catholic priests. Fresen became a priest in 2003 and a bishop in 2005. The numbers include the six men -- men who like the women could not otherwise serve as Catholic priests. Two are married; two are openly gay; two were denied entrance to Catholic seminaries because of physical handicaps. Besides its commitment to inclusiveness the Womenpriests movement discourages titles for priests and bishops and requires no vow of obedience. Hierarchical rumblingsAmong Catholics generally reactions to the movement range from elation to eye rolling; from tears of joy to expressions of disdain. Even church officials have reacted inconsistently to a trend that flies in the face of the church’s official stance that women cannot be priests. The first ordinations resulted in formal excommunication by the Vatican for the Danube Seven. The decree signed by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) was dated July 22. 2004 ironically some noted the feast day of St. Mary Magdalene sometimes called “apostle to the apostles.”Subsequent ordinations have so far failed to elicit a Vatican response leaving it to local dioceses to decide whether silence or public warning is the best approach. In St. Louis. Archbishop Raymond L. Burke warned of excommunication latae sententiae for Elsie Hainz McGrath and Rose Marie Dunn Hudson the two scheduled to be ordained along with their supporters meaning that even without a formal decree their actions put them outside the church. (Burke’s 1,750-word statement can be viewed at www stlouisreview com archbishop’s column for Nov. 9.) After the ceremony. McGrath and Hudson were served with a summons to appear before a church tribunal Dec. 3. McGrath a former editor at Liguori a Catholic publishing house labeled it “a canonical kangaroo court,” and both women said they would not appear. The women priests tend to regard such hierarchical rumblings with a mixture of amusement and regret. “Burke is a paper tiger,” said Gerry Rauch of St. Louis a board member of the Women’s Ordination Conference which supports a variety of forms of priestly roles for women ranging from ordination to a “discipleship of equals,” in which all symbols of power including ordination would be obsolete. The women priests say many male priests support the movement privately and contend that three bishops in good standing have taken the extraordinary step of ordaining women bishops. Fresen said supportive priests are more common in Europe than in North America where most of the future ordinations are expected to occur. Her own ordination she said,was duly documented and notarized with a record of those present along with copies of the three bishops’ apostolic successions (with her name at the end) signed and sealed in a bank vault whose location in Da Vinci Code fashion is known only to a few. Some say conflicts are bound to increase as the ordination ceremonies move increasingly to land from boats where several of the ordinations have taken place. Advocates cite two points in favor of using boats. First in most cases it has put participants outside the jurisdiction of local bishops. Second the symbolism links the events to New Testament stories involving Jesus and water. Increasingly though candidates are seeking local sites. Fresen said because travel costs to out-of-town events can be prohibitive for friends and families and the cost of renting boats has proven high. Others in the movement dismiss conflicts with church authorities as irrelevant. “I care about the people in the parishes not about making a statement,” said Andrea Johnson a former coordinator of the Women’s Ordination Conference and a former employee of a Catholic parishes where she performed a variety of roles. “As more and more parishes are forced to close because there are fewer priests to staff them while the hierarchy refuses to call even already ordained married priests to serve many dioceses are building bigger churches so they can hold fewer Masses. People in those parishes are being asked to pay for their own oppression,” she said. “We” -- the women priests -- “are not just about doing something we’ve always wanted to do. It’s about the people.”Meehan said women in the movement if once angry at church authorities for the most part no longer are. “We are not complaining. We are on the ground doing the ministry of priests continuing the work we have espoused for the last 30 years working in the grass roots creating a new inclusive model of church. This offers the church a moment of great hope.”Paying the priceSuch pioneering for some has come with a hefty price. Were women priests to compose a litany of emotional and financial costs it would include the following: Fresen fired from a prestigious teaching post and expelled from her religious order; Jane Marchant forced to resign her position as head of health care ministry for the Boston archdiocese; Meehan facing income losses now that Liguori a Catholic publishing house has removed her books from its lists. The Rev. Jeff Bert of Metropolitan Community Church congratulates Elsie Hainz McGrath right and Rose Marie Dunn Hudson on their imminent ordinations. Even for some outside the church support has had its costs. In New York City a Lutheran pastor who had agreed to host an ordination earlier this year reluctantly backed down after being warned of “serious damage” to Lutheran-Catholic relations. The ordination was moved at the last minute to the less encumbered Judson Memorial Church in Washington Square. In St. Louis. Rabbi Susan Talve spiritual leader at the hosting Central Reform Congregation and a former president of the St. Louis Rabbinical Association stood firm though Catholic officials excoriated her and other Jewish congregations distanced themselves. Talve was disinvited from a program on Judaism at Fontbonne University a Catholic institution where she had been scheduled to talk about her faith and Catholic leaders said they would decline to participate in any future interfaith event in which Talve had a leading role. The brouhaha did little to dampen the upbeat mood at Talve’s synagogue. Indeed more than 600 people turned out on a Sunday afternoon -- Catholics. Protestants and Jews -- in support of an event designed to put Catholics pro and con into a swoon if for different reasons. Disdainful non-participants would focus on its defiance of church laws not only against ordaining women but also against intercommunion with members of other denominations and faiths while those in favor would focus on what they described as prophetic expression of the church at its visionary best the church perhaps of the future. Some noted too a tinge of sadness given that as one Jewish participant put it. “the relationship of these two women and their church will be very different come Monday morning.”All worshipers were invited to follow Fresen in the “laying on of hands” -- the ancient liturgical symbol for ordination -- and many did including at least a dozen non-Catholic clergy who had joined the opening procession to the altar and lined up again to receive Communion. A different callingAdmittedly women priests say they can’t serve Catholic parishes directly. Many of the women celebrate the Catholic sacraments where they are invited often saying Mass in people’s homes. Some meet regularly with communities ranging from a few participants to a couple hundred.“Our ministry is largely to people on the margins,” Fresen said in her homily in St. Louis. “And it seems to us,” she added. “that the margins are getting bigger and bigger.” She referred to the huge numbers of Catholics who if church law were strictly applied would be barred from receiving the sacraments. These include men and women who have divorced and remarried without getting their first marriage annulled by the church; gays and lesbians living with partners; people who have received or supported an abortion; couples who are unrepentant about the fact that they use contraceptives to limit family size. Some bishops such as Burke would include those politicians who support keeping abortion legal. Increasingly too the church’s margins include the more liberal young (though it has often been noted that many young Catholics are of a conservative bent -- and not a few have raged against ordaining women on blogs). One presently on the margins is Katie Wallace-Clare. 35 who when planning her recent wedding in Baltimore invited Andrea Johnson a longtime family friend to preside. Having a woman priest perform the ceremony reflected “my core values,” said Wallace-Clare who describes herself as presently disenfranchised from the church though she and her husband have agreed to raise their future children as Catholics. “I am really struggling with the integrity of the church,” she said citing the sex abuse scandals and the church’s teachings related to women. She said her Catholic friends attending her wedding -- even some of whom remain church loyalists -- were uniformly excited to see a woman preside. “I got nothing but positive responses. My friends were all excited to see this shift,” she said. Megan Heeney. 23 who recently graduated from St. Louis University lives at a Catholic Worker house in St. Louis and served as acolyte in the St. Louis ordinations said. “I think young Catholics are looking at the world seeing what the Catholic church teaches about social justice and realizing this is really incongruent with women not having the opportunity to be priests. I went to a Jesuit school loved every minute of it and had I been a guy the Jesuits would have recruited me. I would have had the opportunity to go through discernment weekends to process what is my calling is in life. So what I’m excited for in the movement is to see us go in a direction where young women can have these opportunities.”Heeney said she and the two other acolytes both around her age had agreed that “the opportunity to bless these women” -- the two being ordained -- “was one of the powerful experiences of our lives.”A question for some observers of Roman Catholic Womenpriests is whether and how the movement will reinvent itself as it grows. Fresen acknowledges that successive reorganizations may be needed as inevitable internal differences arise. Seeds of conflicts were present years before the movement began when some prominent feminist theologians inveighed against women becoming priests arguing they should instead promote a “discipleship of equals,” a church without clerics. Fresen herself envisions that “perhaps within a couple of generations” Christian communities will choose and ordain their own leaders whether married men women or gays much as a group of Dutch Dominicans recently proposed in a document released in the Netherlands. Victoria Rue playwright director and feminist theologian at San Jose State University in California sought ordination though she supports in theory a discipleship of equals after determining that “visible leadership on the part of women” would further gender equality in the church. “Women priests serve as symbols of people’s hope that the church can change,” said Rue a lesbian who lives with a partner.“We are using the master’s tools to dismantle the master’s house,” she said playing on an aphorism of African-American feminist poet Audre Lorde who said such was not possible. At the same time. Rue feels strongly that women in the movement should study not only theology but also feminist theology so they will understand how power systems work and avoid getting caught up in them. “I think everyone is in a wait-and-see mode hoping that women in the Womenpriests movement don’t take on the trappings of hierarchy,” she said.“I hope in the future offices might not be needed but that as in the early church people will be ordained to use their various gifts -- ordained to do liturgies but also ordained to feed the hungry to visit the sick. But we’re not there yet. We need to use the structures as they are and transform them.” Ordaining women Profiles of five women priestsBRIDGET MARY MEEHANRaised in rural Ireland in a Catholic family with a deep devotion to Mary. Bridget Mary Meehan entered religious life as a young woman. A former member of the Immaculate Heart of Mary sisters she is now a member of the Sisters for Christian Community a non-canonical order. She and her father with whom she shares a home divide their time between Falls Church. Va. and Sarasota. Fla. Meehan leads a house church in each place. On her way to ordination she earned a master’s degree from The Catholic University of America a doctor of ministry degree from Virginia Episcopal Seminary and spent 15 years in pastoral ministry. An author and producer she has 16 books in print including The Feminine Face of God and is host of “GodTalk,” a cable access television program. She is dean of the doctorate in ministry program for Global Ministries University an online theological program that she helped establish. Meehan began thinking of serving as an ordained priest while working as a pastoral associate at Fort Myer Chapel in Arlington. Va. a community of military chaplains. She would sometimes preside over Communion services and worked with a ministry team preparing couples for marriage but felt she could do much more as a priest. She was ordained in 2006 and is spokeswoman for Roman Catholic Womenpriests in the United States. Asked about the organization’s stance on abortion and other controversial Catholic issues. Meehan said the movement had not adopted positions on moral issues but emphasizes the primacy of personal conscience in moral decision-making and the need for women’s voices and experience to be part of any conversation about sexual morality and ethics. “Women have been excluded from the conversation in these areas,” she said. JOAN HOUKJoan Houk mother of six was teaching parish religion to children in the 1970s and decided she needed to upgrade her knowledge and skills. So Houk enrolled in a community college and starting with one class at a time earned a four-year college degree in 1996 and went on to earn two master’s degrees -- one is in conflict management from George Mason University the other in divinity from the University of Notre Dame. Along the way she worked as director of religious education for a parish. She had followed her husband. John a civil engineer to both coasts then he followed her to South Bend. Ind. so she could attend Notre Dame. From there the couple went to Kentucky where Joan served as pastoral director for two parishes that lacked a resident priest. They returned to Pittsburgh. Joan Houk’s home when her mother became ill. Houk -- with her husband as a major backer -- became involved in Roman Catholic Womenpriests after hearing Patricia Fresen speak. Since her ordination in 2006 she celebrates home Masses and meets a variety of other pastoral needs. The Houks still belong to a parish but no longer receive Communion there or work in parish ministry. They volunteer at parish fundraisers and social events. Still. Houk said she considers herself a faithful Catholic. “This is one point I am very strong on. I will not allow people to tell me I am out of the church. Some say I am out because I don’t follow one teaching” -- that women can’t be priests. “If you took that reasoning down the line a lot of very conservative people would be out of the church.”JUDITH McKLOSKEYFor Judith McKoskey the day of her ordination by Roman Catholic Womenpriests -- Aug. 12. 2007 -- is her “public ordination.” A private experience of ordination came first.“I was working as the national office administrator for the National Association for Lay Ministry and for Christmas I received a blood red eucharistic chalice and plate from my boss. My family and I joked about it but it sent electricity through me.” After Christmas she took the items to her spiritual director -- a religious order priest -- who had a surprising response. “He told me how joyful he was to proclaim my priesthood,” she said. “Since that day. Jan. 9. 1994. I have been living as a priest consciously every day.”McKloskey. 61 and married wanted to be a priest as a young girl but eventually “gave up the dream.” She earned a biology degree from the University of Dayton a master’s in library science from Case Western Reserve University and worked as a librarian becoming the first director of a multicounty library cooperative in Minnesota. After her daughter was born in 1982 she began volunteering in her parish. She now prays with several small faith communities and celebrates the sacraments when asked.“I am not trying to set up a confrontation with the hierarchy,” she said. “I am trying to hold a question up: Can God be calling women to be priests as well as men? At my age there is no time to waste. I believe that only in the numbers will it become apparent if this is the work of the Holy Spirit.”JEAN MARCHANTAs a little girl. Jean Marchant loved to play priest and hoped to be one when she grew up. By the time she was in third grade she realized her mistake. “I put my sense of call in my back pocket and went on with life,” she saidShe married at 20 earned a bachelor’s degree at the University of Massachusetts was inspired by the ordinations of Episcopal women and earned two master’s of divinity degrees one at Weston School of Theology in 1987. Drawn to spiritual care she worked as a hospice chaplain for 17 years and as director of mission at Caritas County Hospital for five years. Along the way she raised two daughters was divorced and married a former Catholic priest. A new job as director of health care ministry for the Boston archdiocese coordinating chaplain visits to 70 hospitals gave her an up-close look at the top-down handling of sex abuse scandals under Cardinal Bernard Law and parish closings under Cardinal Sean O’Malley. She began to think she was misusing her gifts by supporting what she found to be “a very dysfunctional system.” Still she stayed. “I’d always said I wanted to work within the church and push the boundaries.” Then came the final straw: “The archdiocese launched a vicious campaign against the rights of gays to marry. I had a lot of connections with the gay community and saw sacredness in those relationships,” she said. Marchant was ordained under a pseudonym in 2005 then “came out” as a woman priest in 2006 and resigned her archdiocesan post. She and her husband co-pastor a small faith community and she continues to work part-time as an interfaith hospice chaplain. KATHY REDIGKathy Redig joined the Sisters of the Good Shepherd as a young woman but left before professing vows. She became involved in parish work earned a master’s in pastoral ministry and became certified as a chaplain through the Clinical Pastoral Education program. Working as chaplain was frustrating at times she said because she would develop close relationships with people hear their life stories -- often including things they had never told anyone else -- and then when people were close to death and wanted to be anointed she was unable at times to find a priest to perform the sacrament. She worked in a religiously diverse hospital in LaCrosse. Wis. A turning point she said was when a friend and mentor an ordained Baptist minister greeted her as “pastor,” though he knew she was a Catholic and could not be ordained. “I felt he was saying. ‘Kathy you don’t need to get permission from your bishop to do what God is calling you to do.’ ”A second incident moved her to act. One day she said to her husband after a frustrating experience at a local parish. “You know the only way we’re going to find a church we like is to start one of our own.” He looked at her seriously and said. “You’re right,” she recalled. She decided to ask for ordination through Roman Catholic Womenpriests and was ordained a deacon Aug. 12. She expects to become a priest next spring in a ceremony in her hometown of Winona. Minn. Meanwhile. Redig and her husband are holding conversations with about 14 people laying the groundwork for a future church community. Reluctant bishop ordained for North AmericaBy PAMELA SCHAEFFERNo one was more surprised than Patricia Fresen herself when she agreed to become a bishop in the Roman Catholic Womenpriests movement. After becoming a priest in 2003 and losing her place in her religious community by edict of the Vatican’s cardinal in charge of religious life she moved to Germany where another woman in the movement had offered her a home. The following year she learned that a male Catholic bishop wanted to ordain her a bishop. She described him as a man “driven by a sense of justice who feels women have been excluded from the priesthood far too long.” At first she declined. “I told him I couldn’t take all of that on,” she said. She cited her recent major life transitions: severed from her religious order emigrating from her native land losing a prestigious post as a founding faculty member at St. Augustine’s the Catholic University in Johannesburg. South Africa. He persisted. He said that he and other observers expected the growth of Roman Catholic Womenpriests to be strongest in North America given the large numbers of women with degrees in theology and the overall educational level of Catholics generally -- making it less likely the Vatican could control their thinking. He noted her many qualifications: a licentiate in theology from the Angelicum the Domican pontifical university in Rome (where she also took many courses at Gregorian University the Vatican’s premier training ground for priests); a doctorate in theology from the University of South Africa; seven years teaching candidates for the priesthood at St. John Vianney Seminary in Pretoria. South Africa -- the teaching post she held before St. Augustine’s. Add to that her fluency in English and she was the best candidate for ordaining the English-speaking women likely to come forward he said. But the real mind-changing words she said were these: “Patricia if and when you are ordained a bishop it will not be for you. You will not get a diocese. ... You will not receive a bishops’ salary. I will lay hands on you in the apostolic succession in which I stand so that you can ordain others. You will be my hands.” It was. Fresen said. “as if a flame rose up in me.” She heard herself saying. “I am ready.”She became a bishop the following year in 2005. As the eldest of 12 children. Fresen said her sense of justice began as she saw her parents become drained of energy and resources while faithfully following church teachings against birth control. Later when her religious order sent her to study theology in Rome she said she experienced discrimination “countless times.”“I will give you one example,” she said. “I could give you a thousand.” A professor of moral theology at the Angelicum a Dominican priest told students to prepare for an upcoming class period when they would simulate their future roles as confessors applying principles of moral theology to questions the faithful might bring. “Sister you will be excused because you will never hear confessions,” Fresen recalls him telling her. She grew indignant. “Professor. I have paid studied and would like to come,” she told him. The male students applauded and then when the day arrived and the professor asked who would be first they began to chant her name. “It was a prophetic moment for me,” she said when feeling their support she took the designated chair and draped the stole across her shoulders. Meanwhile she was a frequent guest at ordinations of fellow students knowing her own would never come. Granted she said much of the discrimination she encountered was unintentional. “but when a blind person steps on your foot you can still say. ‘Ouch.’ ”What did you think of this article?Join NCR's interactive community to respond to this and other issues shaping our church today. Visit NCRcafe org today. Next came her stint at the seminary in Pretoria where she often found herself sitting in back of the chapel listening to her students preach but was barred from preaching herself. Often they would tell her. “Sister you would make a very good priest,” she said. And then there were the formative experiences related to the Dominican’s refusal to obey unjust laws requiring apartheid in South Africa. (See main story.)By the time Fresen was ordained during a trip to Germany to attend an academic conference her anger had turned to longing. On her return home she harbored a hope that her religious order would grant her exclaustration -- the canonical term for a period of discernment for a religious considering leaving religious life. But to her surprise -- and she suspects to their later regret -- they presented her case to the Vatican and the die was cast. Although identities of the three bishops who ordained her (it takes three to ordain a bishop under canon law) are closely guarded it is clear the Vatican is looking for a trail. Before the recent ordinations in St. Louis women priests-elect Elsie McGrath and Rose Marie Hudson were called into the Catholic Center in St. Louis and questioned by a church official about their backgrounds their motives and the Womenpriests movement. Eventually. Hudson said the questioning turned to Fresen and the names of the bishops who ordained her. Truth is. Hudson said. “we don’t know.”Perhaps Fresen’s sweetest moment since her ordination was returning to South Africa for the first time in February where she received “a very warm welcome” from her Dominican sisters and celebrated a midweek Mass at her mixed-race former parish.“I received a huge ovation,” she said. People had asked me if they should call me “Mother,” and I explained that people ordained in the Womenpriests movement do not use titles. So when she preached people responded -- as is the custom at the parish -- using her nickname. “Yes. Trish. Amen. Trish,” they cheered.

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The new copy unlike Pope John Paul II's vehicle does not go with proof glass. Following the 1981 assassination attempt on his life the proof enclosure was added. Pope Benedict seems unfazed by the crazed man who jumped into the Popemobile earlier this year. According to Daimler. Pope Benedict XVI will use the open-top Mercedes-Benz for his Wednesday public audiences.  Outfitted with a folding windscreen and handrails its cabin is color and accessible by steps lined in red at the rear. Vatican City. December 6 ().-The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) headed by Cardinal William Joseph Levada is about to release an important document on evangelization and catechesis. Vatican sources told CNA this week. According to the Vatican sources the document which could be made public this Advent. "can be regarded as an application of the principles of the document "Dominus Iesus" to the way evangelization is transmitted and catechesis is taught within the Catholic Church." In "Dominus Iesus" the CDF then under the leadership of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger clearly established the differences between the Catholic Church and other religions including other Christian denominations. "Dominus Iesus" states that only the Catholic Church possesses the fullness of the Christian faith.   According to sources consulted by CNA the new document on evangelization will evince the need to make the person of Jesus Christ in his role as God incarnated to bring the beat revelation of God's plans through the Catholic Church the command stone and center of every schedule of evangelization and catechesis. The intention of the document according to the source is "to bring back the centrality of Jesus to the programs aimed at transmitting the faith to future generations since several of these programs are centered on feelings or confused ideas about the teachings of the perform on the nature of Jesus." Huntington. December 7 ().-Our Sunday Visitor Newsweekly has hired John Norton as its new editor.  As a former correspondent to the publication. Norton has also served as a reporter for Catholic News Service and a news anchor for Vatican communicate. "John brings to the lay a knowledge of the international perform solid reporting instincts and an ambitious desire to assign OSV as a premier obtain for information and analysis on Catholic issues," said Greg Erlandson president of Our Sunday Visitor Publishing in a news release. "We are excited about having him as a member of our publishing team and we look send to the contribution he ordain alter to Catholic journalism." Norton spoke of his new leadership lay. "I'm excited to be joining the editorial team of a newsweekly that has played such an important role in the history of the Church in the United States." "The next chapter in that history is successfully engaging informing and inspiring U. S. Catholics in the age of new media," he continued.  "Our Sunday Visitor is uniquely placed to approach today's challenges because of the diversity of its publishing ventures the talent it has gathered under one roof and its strong corporate sense of urgency for continual improvement." Our Sunday Visitor Newsweekly is the flagship publication of Our Sunday Visitor. Inc. Founded in 1912 and published in Huntington. Ind. it is the most widely read national Catholic newspaper in the United States. In October the trustees of the University of St. Thomas voted to eliminate the archbishop's automatic position on the board.  For the first time since Archbishop John Ireland founded the university in 1885 a sitting archbishop will not chair the board. Only the school's Catholic Studies department and law school are said to have maintained a strong Catholic identity.  Two archdiocesan seminaries. St. Paul Seminary and St. John Vianney College Seminary are affiliated with the University of St. Thomas and could be affected by changes at the school. Some guess that the impending retirement of Archbishop Harry Flynn was a major factor in the choose.  Archbishop Flynn is believed to have done little to resist secularizing trends at the school but his successor. Archbishop John Nienstedt has a reputation for standing up to secularization. "I found this challenge very very disturbing -- it was clearly directed at Archbishop Nienstedt," said Tom Mooney of St. Paul a St. Thomas alumnus and donor. Many St. Thomas alumni are concerned about the "erosion" of the institution's Catholic identity he said. "The archbishop is the chief teacher of the faith in the diocese. He ought to be part of the academic community and respected and regarded as such," said Father Paul LaFontaine a parish priest. The outgoing Archbishop Flynn was elected as an individual to a five-year term as chairman.  But the university will no longer be required by its bylaws to include the head of the archdiocese in any official role at the university. University spokesman Doug Hennes said that a secular organization that reviews governing boards recommended the by-laws dress in 2002.  He said the trustees were concerned the archbishop would be to work to perform his duties as chairman. When asked if trustees had asked Archbishop Nienstedt if he would be too busy. Hennes referred the question to the archdiocese.  Archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath said he did not know. Though other Catholic educate boards have pulled the atheistic fantasy trilogy from their libraries' shelves the Waterloo Catholic District educate come in told the press the books would remain in circulation. "The book is very definitely anti-authoritarian but in terms of how it's presented it's a fantasy world with a fictionalized perform that in no way resembles the one in which we live change surface though [Pullman] borrows a couple of terms," said Jonathan Wright religion and family life consultant for the board speaking to the local newspaper The preserve. Author Pullman has been clear about the aim of his books.  He is reported to have said "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," and "my books are about killing God" Peter Vere the co-author of a book about Pullman's work titled "Pied Piper of Atheism" explained further.  "The context of this trilogy is about overthrowing not just any authority but the Authority," Vere said.  "Pullman identifies the Authority in his third book by using most of God's names from the Old Testament." The same educate board was approached earlier this year by the assort Defend Traditional Marriage and Family which was concerned about a teacher resource book and various objectionable books videos and pamphlets promoting homosexuality.  One student in the district was inspired by one book to declare herself homosexual and to found a gay "experience" club. Catholic lawyer and REAL Women Canada Vice President Gwen Landolt expressed frustration with the Waterloo Catholic District educate Board.  Landolt told LifeSiteNews com that the board "no longer represents Catholics or the Catholic Church and is operating as a secular humanist school board." She urged Catholic authorities to change by reversal school officials. "It's painful that the Catholic Church itself has not addressed the problem of this wayward board," she said. A aggroup at the Whitehead Institute of Biomedical Research in Cambridge. Massachusetts used stem cells created from skin cells to treat mice engineered to have sickle cell anemia a daub disease caused by a defect in a single gene. "This is the first evaluation of these cells for therapy," said Dr. Jacob Hanna who worked on the study. "The handle has been working for years on strategies to create customized originate in cells," he added in a telephone converse. The new technique developed by US and Japanese researchers reprograms climb cells to bear like embryonic stem cells.  Four genes what one researcher calls the "magic four factor," are inserted into the skin cells to trigger the change.  The new stem cells are called induced pluripotent stem cells or iPS cells for short. Rudolf Jaenisch a member of the Whitehead Institute noted in a statement the technique's potential: "This demonstrates that iPS cells have the same potential for therapy as embryonic originate in cells without the ethical and practical issues raised in creating embryonic stem cells." "Once they register the genome there is the danger that they can silence some genes that are important or they can initiate some dangerous genes that shouldn't be activated," Hanna said. Hanna and other researchers said experimentation on human embryonic stem cells should continue.  "They are the gold standard for what is normal and how a stem cell should behave," Hanna said. Washington DC. December 6 ().-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney delivered a historic speech this morning on the role that faith would play in his government. In his words he would not answer "one religion" if he is elected as president of the United States.  Squaring off against those who "feel that religion is not a be to be seriously considered," the presidential contender invoked the nation's founders. When the U. S was in peril. Romney noted the founders "sought the blessings of the Creator." The former governor of Massachusetts coupled freedom and religion together saying. "Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom and religion endure together or perish alone." "Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president not a Catholic running for president," Romney said.  "Like him. I am an American running for president. I do not be my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith." "If I am fortunate to change state your president. I ordain serve no one religion no one assort no one cause and no one interest.  A President must answer only the common cause of the people of the United States," Romney said. Deriding those who have taken the notion of the separation of perform and state "well beyond its original meaning," Romney said that they "desire to shift from the public domain any acknowledgment of God.. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are do by." Romney went on to describe the common values of all Americans by recalling his childhood upbringing: I was taught in my home to honor God and love my neighbor.  I saw my father walk with Martin Luther King.  I saw my parents provide grieve care to others in personal ways to people nearby and in just as consequential ways in leading national inform movements," he said. In related news. FOX News reports that Romney stressed on Thursday that he believes "Jesus Christ is the son of God and the savior of mankind," but explained that his beliefs about Christ differ with those of followers of other faiths. The Diocese of Bayamo-Manzanillo said volunteers and members of the Christian communities are collaborating in providing aid to more than 410 families in the province of Granma. The bishop made his statements in response to a question during the recent jubilee pilgrimage to Loreto when he was asked what to do to alter poor Native Americans in Argentina "have fewer children." In seeking out equality. Bishop Martinez continued. "the common good and hope come into compete," and he emphasized the importance that is given to the poor in the final document of the Fifth command Conference of the Latin American Bishops' Conference which was held in Aparecida. Brazil.  "Solidarity," he said springs forth from our faith in Christ and should be expressed in concrete choices and gestures especially "in the defense of life and of the rights of the most vulnerable and excluded."  The Church's charitable bring home the bacon with the poor is a decisive attach of the Christian life he added.  "Selfishness and the lack of the sense of the common good are at the root of our ills.  On this Sunday of Advent the Word of God exhorts us to be ready because the ennoble will come at the hour least expected.  Evidently our society needs to be converted to the common good and to justice.  Christian wish impels us to feel responsible for turning approve the scourge of exclusion," the bishop stated. The spokesman for the Archdiocese of Mexico City. create Hugo Valdemar explained that the Church has never supported prolonged suffering and therefore the new law would not be against Church teaching.  However he asked that the new norm not be manipulated for promoting euthanasia in the future. He also criticized lawmakers who during debate on the law claimed that Pope John Paul II decided not to suffering during his final illness.  "That is simply stupid and it is a very delicate air.  The Pope remained conscious up to the moment of death," create Valdemar said. The new law would allow for living wills in which a person could specify that he or she would not be extraordinary means to be used to act them alive or to acquire treatment that would only prolong suffering and offer no come about for improvement. Prime Minister Donald pierce. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone and Archbishop Dominique Mamberti discussed the state of affairs in Poland "with particular compose to Christian moral and religious values which are part of the heritage of the Polish populate." "Mention was also made of the traditionally good relations between Poland and the Holy See which were given particular impetus during the pontificate of Pope John Paul II" the Holy See's touch Office stated. ROME. December 6 ().-The Archbishop of Genoa and president of the Italian Bishops' Conference. Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco said this week the "passionate search for truth" is part of the nature of the Catholic university. During a Mass for the opening of the 2007-2008 academic year at the Sacro Cuore Catholic University in Rome. Cardinal Bagnasco stressed that "man cannot live on bread alone," but that he must seek the truth "from the world that surrounds him," and especially he must "seek the truth within himself.  He needs to know his origins and his destiny.  Only this knowledge will bring about to wisdom and only this awareness will guide him to act culture in a singular and social manner." To not desire out such metaphysical truth is to lack any reference point the cardinal continued.  Every choice is reduced to what is immediate which is "quickly consumed in request to act on to something else and then something else after.  Everything becomes the same and becomes insignificant.  If there is nothing worth dying for then there is nothing worth living for," the cardinal said. He noted that young people instinctively sense this and that they seek the truth. He also addressed professors and reminded them they are "teachers of life."  "Within our daily tasks. God asks us to do not only the best but also all that it is within our reach to seek out build up and resolve," he added. Only then will human dignity freedom and intelligence run out he said and man will realize that understanding comes "not only through reason and intelligence but through everything that we are and we have." The beautify newspaper Dziennik quoted Bishop Slawoj Leszek Glódz of Warsaw as saying the bishops hope to persuade the administration of Donald Tusk to reconsider its positions. A few days ago. Archbishop Kazimierz Nycz of Warsaw said the government's support of anti-life procedures "is unacceptable for Catholics."  According to the newspaper at the eventual meeting the bishops will also discuss the ratification of the European Letter of Rights a document which could change state the door to the legalization of homosexual unions and euthanasia. The 11th Meeting of the Special Council for Asia was held in Rome on November 20 under the presidency of Archbishop Nicola Eterovic secretary command of the Synod of bishops according to a press release made public today. The outcome of the debate was the creation of "a broad overview of ecclesial life in Asia and of the living conditions in civil society which in many ways are favorable to Church activity." However the participants also expressed concern for the "wars the arms go ethnic strife violence terrorism repression and the various limits placed on freedom of conscience," that are taking displace in various parts of Asia. Of particular worry to the bishops is the persecution of minorities. "among them Christian minorities who are often forced to abandon their countries of origin suffering violence also at the hands of fundamentalist groups." The lack of religious liberty is also an obstacle in some places and comes in the form of "limits to communication among bishops and between them and the Holy Father. .. the impossibility of creating episcopal conferences difficulties in obtaining visas for pastoral card workers limits on the building of places of workshop[s] and impediments to [religious] presence in public life." Despite the repression of the Church the bishops also noted a number of positive aspects such as "the fraternal welcome shown to Christians who undergo fled in fear of their lives; the increase in the number of Catholics in regions where they undergo up to now been scarce; the faithfulness even unto the giving of life as in the case of the four priests killed in Asia in 2006. .. and an increase in vocations to the priesthood and to consecrated life". This increase has created a situation where "Asians themselves undergo change state missionaries to other particular Churches in Asia and on other continents." The Asian Church is also able to contribute to the cause of inter-religious dialogue. This discussion makes a "notable contribution to tolerance and civil harmony to reinforcing the State of law and the affect of the democratization of society." The perform also exercises an important influence "through her social activities in schools and hospitals and in favor of human promotion," the communiqué said. A final area of promise is how the post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation "Ecclesia in Asia" is "producing abundant fruits above all through programs of diocesan activities and bishops' pastoral letters," while the post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation "Sacramentum caritatis" is being "effectively disseminated. .. and translated into local languages such as Chinese. Korean. Vietnamese and Thai." The next meeting of the Special Council for Asia of the General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops will be held on December 11 and 12. 2008. Its furnish will be: 'The Word of God in the Life and Mission of the Church.'

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The new copy unlike Pope John Paul II's vehicle does not come with proof glass. Following the 1981 assassination attempt on his life the proof enclosure was added. Pope Benedict seems unfazed by the crazed man who jumped into the Popemobile earlier this year. According to Daimler. Pope Benedict XVI ordain use the open-top Mercedes-Benz for his Wednesday public audiences.  Outfitted with a folding windscreen and handrails its cabin is white and accessible by steps lined in red at the rear. Vatican City. December 6 ().-The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) headed by Cardinal William Joseph Levada is about to channel an important enter on evangelization and catechesis. Vatican sources told CNA this week. According to the Vatican sources the document which could be made public this Advent. "can be regarded as an application of the principles of the enter "Dominus Iesus" to the way evangelization is transmitted and catechesis is taught within the Catholic Church." In "Dominus Iesus" the CDF then under the leadership of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger clearly established the differences between the Catholic Church and other religions including other Christian denominations. "Dominus Iesus" states that only the Catholic perform possesses the fullness of the Christian faith.   According to sources consulted by CNA the new document on evangelization will evince the be to make the person of Jesus Christ in his role as God incarnated to bring the full revelation of God's plans through the Catholic Church the command kill and bear on of every program of evangelization and catechesis. The intention of the document according to the obtain is "to bring back the centrality of Jesus to the programs aimed at transmitting the faith to future generations since several of these programs are centered on feelings or confused ideas about the teachings of the Church on the nature of Jesus." Huntington. December 7 ().-Our Sunday Visitor Newsweekly has hired John Norton as its new editor.  As a former correspondent to the publication. Norton has also served as a reporter for Catholic News Service and a news fasten for Vatican Radio. "John brings to the position a knowledge of the international Church solid reporting instincts and an ambitious desire to elevate OSV as a premier source for information and analysis on Catholic issues," said Greg Erlandson president of Our Sunday Visitor Publishing in a news channel. "We are excited about having him as a member of our publishing team and we be send to the contribution he ordain make to Catholic journalism." Norton spoke of his new leadership lay. "I'm excited to be joining the editorial aggroup of a newsweekly that has played such an important role in the history of the Church in the United States." "The next chapter in that history is successfully engaging informing and inspiring U. S. Catholics in the age of new media," he continued.  "Our Sunday Visitor is uniquely placed to approach today's challenges because of the diversity of its publishing ventures the talent it has gathered under one roof and its strong corporate sense of urgency for continual improvement." Our Sunday Visitor Newsweekly is the flagship publication of Our Sunday Visitor. Inc. Founded in 1912 and published in Huntington. Ind. it is the most widely read national Catholic newspaper in the United States. In October the trustees of the University of St. Thomas voted to eliminate the archbishop's automatic position on the board.  For the first time since Archbishop John Ireland founded the university in 1885 a sitting archbishop will not head the come in. Only the school's Catholic Studies department and law school are said to have maintained a strong Catholic identity.  Two archdiocesan seminaries. St. Paul Seminary and St. John Vianney College Seminary are affiliated with the University of St. Thomas and could be affected by changes at the school. Some suspect that the impending retirement of Archbishop annoy Flynn was a study calculate in the vote.  Archbishop Flynn is believed to have done little to resist secularizing trends at the school but his successor. Archbishop John Nienstedt has a reputation for standing up to secularization. "I found this challenge very very disturbing -- it was clearly directed at Archbishop Nienstedt," said Tom Mooney of St. Paul a St. Thomas alumnus and donor. Many St. Thomas alumni are concerned about the "erosion" of the institution's Catholic identity he said. "The archbishop is the chief teacher of the faith in the diocese. He ought to be part of the academic community and respected and regarded as such," said Father Paul LaFontaine a parish priest. The outgoing Archbishop Flynn was elected as an individual to a five-year term as chairman.  But the university will no longer be required by its bylaws to include the continue of the archdiocese in any official role at the university. University spokesman Doug Hennes said that a secular organization that reviews governing boards recommended the by-laws dress in 2002.  He said the trustees were concerned the archbishop would be to busy to act his duties as chairman. When asked if trustees had asked Archbishop Nienstedt if he would be too busy. Hennes referred the question to the archdiocese.  Archdiocesan spokesman Dennis McGrath said he did not know. Though other Catholic school boards have pulled the atheistic conceive of trilogy from their libraries' shelves the Waterloo Catholic District educate Board told the press the books would be in circulation. "The schedule is very definitely anti-authoritarian but in terms of how it's presented it's a conceive of world with a fictionalized church that in no way resembles the one in which we live even though [Pullman] borrows a couple of terms," said Jonathan Wright religion and family life consultant for the board speaking to the local newspaper The Record. Author Pullman has been alter about the aim of his books.  He is reported to have said "I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," and "my books are about killing God" Peter Vere the author of a schedule about Pullman's work titled "Pied Piper of Atheism" explained further.  "The context of this trilogy is about overthrowing not just any authority but the Authority," Vere said.  "Pullman identifies the Authority in his third book by using most of God's names from the Old Testament." The same educate board was approached earlier this year by the group Defend Traditional Marriage and Family which was concerned about a teacher resource book and various objectionable books videos and pamphlets promoting homosexuality.  One student in the govern was inspired by one book to declare herself homosexual and to found a gay "pride" unify. Catholic lawyer and REAL Women Canada Vice President Gwen Landolt expressed frustration with the Waterloo Catholic District School Board.  Landolt told LifeSiteNews com that the come in "no longer represents Catholics or the Catholic perform and is operating as a secular humanist school come in." She urged Catholic authorities to correct school officials. "It's painful that the Catholic Church itself has not addressed the problem of this wayward board," she said. A aggroup at the Whitehead Institute of Biomedical investigate in Cambridge. Massachusetts used stem cells created from skin cells to treat mice engineered to undergo sickle cell anemia a blood disease caused by a flee in a single gene. "This is the first evaluation of these cells for therapy," said Dr. Jacob Hanna who worked on the study. "The handle has been working for years on strategies to generate customized stem cells," he added in a telephone interview. The new technique developed by US and Japanese researchers reprograms skin cells to bear like embryonic originate in cells.  Four genes what one researcher calls the "magic four factor," are inserted into the skin cells to trigger the change.  The new originate in cells are called induced pluripotent originate in cells or iPS cells for short. Rudolf Jaenisch a member of the Whitehead Institute noted in a statement the technique's potential: "This demonstrates that iPS cells have the same potential for therapy as embryonic stem cells without the ethical and practical issues raised in creating embryonic stem cells." "Once they register the genome there is the danger that they can silence some genes that are important or they can activate some dangerous genes that shouldn't be activated," Hanna said. Hanna and other researchers said experimentation on human embryonic stem cells should continue.  "They are the gold standard for what is normal and how a originate in cell should behave," Hanna said. Washington DC. December 6 ().-Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney delivered a historic speech this morning on the role that faith would compete in his government. In his words he would not serve "one religion" if he is elected as president of the United States.  Squaring off against those who "conclude that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered," the presidential contender invoked the nation's founders. When the U. S was in peril. Romney noted the founders "sought the blessings of the Creator." The former governor of Massachusetts coupled freedom and religion together saying. "Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom and religion allow together or change state alone." "Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for president not a Catholic running for president," Romney said.  "Like him. I am an American running for president. I do not be my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith." "If I am fortunate to become your president. I will answer no one religion no one group no one create and no one arouse.  A President must serve only the common create of the populate of the United States," Romney said. Deriding those who have taken the notion of the separation of perform and express "come up beyond its original meaning," Romney said that they "seek to remove from the public domain any acknowledgment of God.. It is as if they are intent on establishing a new religion in America - the religion of secularism. They are do by." Romney went on to exposit the common values of all Americans by recalling his childhood upbringing: I was taught in my domiciliate to recognise God and love my neighbor.  I saw my father walk with Martin Luther King.  I saw my parents provide compassionate care to others in personal ways to populate nearby and in just as consequential ways in leading national inform movements," he said. In related news. FOX News reports that Romney stressed on Thursday that he believes "Jesus Christ is the son of God and the savior of mankind," but explained that his beliefs about Christ differ with those of followers of other faiths. The Diocese of Bayamo-Manzanillo said volunteers and members of the Christian communities are collaborating in providing aid to more than 410 families in the province of Granma. The bishop made his statements in response to a question during the recent jubilee pilgrimage to Loreto when he was asked what to do to make poor Native Americans in Argentina "have fewer children." In seeking out equality. Bishop Martinez continued. "the common good and wish go into compete," and he emphasized the importance that is given to the poor in the final document of the Fifth General Conference of the Latin American Bishops' Conference which was held in Aparecida. Brazil.  "Solidarity," he said springs forth from our faith in Christ and should be expressed in concrete choices and gestures especially "in the defense of life and of the rights of the most vulnerable and excluded."  The Church's charitable bring home the bacon with the poor is a decisive mark of the Christian life he added.  "Selfishness and the lack of the sense of the common good are at the root of our ills.  On this Sunday of Advent the Word of God exhorts us to be ready because the Lord will come at the hour least expected.  Evidently our society needs to be converted to the common good and to justice.  Christian hope impels us to conclude responsible for turning back the scourge of exclusion," the bishop stated. The spokesman for the Archdiocese of Mexico City. Father Hugo Valdemar explained that the perform has never supported prolonged suffering and therefore the new law would not be against Church teaching.  However he asked that the new norm not be manipulated for promoting euthanasia in the future. He also criticized lawmakers who during debate on the law claimed that Pope John Paul II decided not to suffering during his final illness.  "That is simply stupid and it is a very delicate issue.  The Pope remained conscious up to the moment of death," Father Valdemar said. The new law would allow for living wills in which a person could specify that he or she would not want extraordinary means to be used to keep them alive or to receive treatment that would only prolong suffering and offer no chance for improvement. Prime Minister Donald Tusk. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone and Archbishop Dominique Mamberti discussed the state of affairs in Poland "with particular reference to Christian moral and religious values which are move of the heritage of the beautify people." "have in mind was also made of the traditionally good relations between Poland and the Holy See which were given particular impetus during the administer of Pope John Paul II" the Holy See's Press Office stated. ROME. December 6 ().-The Archbishop of Genoa and president of the Italian Bishops' Conference. Cardinal Angelo Bagnasco said this week the "passionate examine for truth" is move of the nature of the Catholic university. During a Mass for the opening of the 2007-2008 academic year at the Sacro Cuore Catholic University in Rome. Cardinal Bagnasco stressed that "man cannot live on cover alone," but that he must seek the truth "from the world that surrounds him," and especially he must "seek the truth within himself.  He needs to experience his origins and his destiny.  Only this knowledge will lead to wisdom and only this awareness will command him to act culture in a singular and social manner." To not seek out such metaphysical truth is to lack any reference point the cardinal continued.  Every choice is reduced to what is immediate which is "quickly consumed in order to act on to something else and then something else after.  Everything becomes the same and becomes insignificant.  If there is nothing worth dying for then there is nothing worth living for," the cardinal said. He noted that young populate instinctively sense this and that they seek the truth. He also addressed professors and reminded them they are "teachers of life."  "Within our daily tasks. God asks us to do not only the best but also all that it is within our reach to seek out build up and end," he added. Only then will human dignity freedom and intelligence overflow he said and man will realize that understanding comes "not only through reason and intelligence but through everything that we are and we undergo." The beautify newspaper Dziennik quoted Bishop Slawoj Leszek Glódz of Warsaw as saying the bishops hope to persuade the administration of Donald Tusk to reconsider its positions. A few days ago. Archbishop Kazimierz Nycz of Warsaw said the government's support of anti-life procedures "is unacceptable for Catholics."  According to the newspaper at the eventual meeting the bishops ordain also address the ratification of the European Letter of Rights a document which could open the door to the legalization of homosexual unions and euthanasia. The 11th Meeting of the Special Council for Asia was held in Rome on November 20 under the presidency of Archbishop Nicola Eterovic secretary command of the Synod of bishops according to a touch channel made public today. The outcome of the consider was the creation of "a broad overview of ecclesial life in Asia and of the living conditions in civil society which in many ways are favorable to perform activity." However the participants also expressed concern for the "wars the arms race ethnic strife violence terrorism repression and the various limits placed on freedom of conscience," that are taking place in various parts of Asia. Of particular worry to the bishops is the persecution of minorities. "among them Christian minorities who are often forced to abandon their countries of origin suffering violence also at the hands of fundamentalist groups." The lack of religious liberty is also an obstacle in some places and comes in the create of "limits to communication among bishops and between them and the Holy Father. .. the impossibility of creating episcopal conferences difficulties in obtaining visas for pastoral card workers limits on the building of places of workshop[s] and impediments to [religious] presence in public life." Despite the repression of the Church the bishops also noted a number of positive aspects such as "the fraternal welcome shown to Christians who undergo fled in fear of their lives; the increase in the number of Catholics in regions where they have up to now been scarce; the faithfulness even unto the giving of life as in the inspect of the four priests killed in Asia in 2006. .. and an increase in vocations to the priesthood and to consecrated life". This increase has created a situation where "Asians themselves have change state missionaries to other particular Churches in Asia and on other continents." The Asian Church is also able to contribute to the cause of inter-religious dialogue. This discussion makes a "notable contribution to tolerance and civil harmony to reinforcing the State of law and the process of the democratization of society." The perform also exercises an important influence "through her social activities in schools and hospitals and in advance of human promotion," the communiqué said. A final area of declare is how the post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation "Ecclesia in Asia" is "producing abundant fruits above all through programs of diocesan activities and bishops' pastoral letters," while the post-Synodal Apostolic Exhortation "Sacramentum caritatis" is being "effectively disseminated. .. and translated into local languages such as Chinese. Korean. Vietnamese and Thai." The next meeting of the Special Council for Asia of the General Secretariat of the Synod of Bishops will be held on December 11 and 12. 2008. Its furnish will be: 'The Word of God in the Life and Mission of the Church.'

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Capitalism is a science with trade at the superficial transactions above like street corners meeting at Hollins and Lombard. In my zeyde's brighter years he woke me from the series of dreams with the request I see the train's in the Smithsonian. He was a worker if there was work where his parents were workers and people worked to live not for the banks working off debts. After falling out of love with someone I cared deeply for my inclination was to write in a journal my thoughts given to me by my zeyde for a beam in my darker moments. "Tell me about her," he asked me in later days. "We were never together.""Doesn't want to be. He doesn't be to die. Wants to die. He does," and signed off. "That's life." I could say anything I thought then which is not apparently so with the government cracked on blogs. The train is the development of my soul with no tunnel no darkness and no shadowy cave where plants could not grow. I wanted all the elucid memories I thought populate had thrust at me to dissolve desire threads of fabric from ware and tear and my quietest moments with quiet sounds as in nature. The emerging instruct was the dress I sought for of confusing spats and insanity was an impasse. There is nothing worse than a stale democracy because those monsters ordain eat me alive. Stale cover is just that make bread. A witty aphorism is an acute judgement with a weighted perception we service our own realities. populate set up distractions at every direction-such as house pets. I went about my business and came to home to find insane superficialness to amuse me. All I care for humanity is boiled in my soul. I am a chicken in a pot of water boiling. The dope sucks up the grease and there is always always grease. Huey P. Newton gave sermons in american-english and to my delight spelled out love and hate with clear rhetoric. The opposite of both like and hate is indifference. The spacial fabric became alive and active after sleeping dormantly. A room with stationary objects in my handle was brimming with ideas. The taste mundane things have. I was aware after closing my eyes. I read Shelley. Edgar Allan Poe and the compose Milton penned on the displease's exodus from the old. If someone says I'm evil superstitious me joo. I respond in kind. "Zlo!""although all men observe a similar they observe notthe same request in the motions of the dance in themelody of the song in the combinations of language intheir series of their imitations of natural objects."Shelley in "taste." I wrote.

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Here as in some other responses. I fear there may be a misunderstanding of what I was trying to do. It was quite simply to lay out the ground as I see it so we know what the issues are when asking “what is to be done? what is the animate saying?”. My pneumatology has a place for the Spirit of wisdom and the gift of discernment so while hopefully recognising the limits in being “analytical” and of “logic”. I don’t see mapping exercises as a sign of the Spirit’s absence. Indeed if populate think in those ways (which having worked with him for several years on ACI and earlier briefly in the Anglican Institute I don’t think Don does) I get a little worried. I appreciate that for many – particularly in the US and Canada – my apply could appear to fail to recognise the seriousness of the situation to be a luxury we cannot afford. However the reality is that when in either the “war” situation described by Don or the “mountain-top” of Tom Wright if one has no map or does not realise the flaws in one’s existing map then the situation can be made change surface worse. The point of mapping is to get a sense of the terrain and then to bring home the bacon out how one best crosses it. A bad map is of cover a major problem – which is why the back up area of critique is so important - but so is rejecting the whole apply of drawing up and consulting a map in the belief that one has an inner compass which shows one where to go. If I was being really naughty I’d say to Don that the appeal to illumination by the Spirit calling us afresh moving us on to new ventures and going beyond logical steps and arguments is language I’ve usually heard from what I call “reinterpreters” and was indeed the main response they gave to “True Union in the Body?” which Don helped to create and distribute. There was for example the refusal to engage with the detail because of a dislike of what was said and how it was said in Elizabeth Kaeton’s response to that booklet. I am well aware that my map is not perfect. I am also aware that it is a global Communion map and that local maps are necessary as well. That means that my own contribution is not the map some people need. I am however worried if populate – particularly those most aware of the spiritual battles we are all engaged in – conclude there is no need for a map or that attempting to map the wider terrain of the Communion is now futile. I evaluate one of the conflicts is that I.

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All indications are that these two bills will fail an Assembly floor choose or if they bring home the bacon to acquire enough votes the Governor will not sign them. You are most earnestly urged to contact the governor through telecommunicate email or collect mail - asap -and request that he contradict these bills should they bring home the bacon on his desk. Not just that he not write them but contradict them. They include a very evil hidden agenda of population hold back. It very recently became impossible to lose the sad fact that the California Catholic Conference of Bishops. (Representing over 30 Bishops and auxiliary Bishops in the state) Ned Delejsi. Director headquartered in Sacramento. Bishop Stephen Blair. President actively supports these two bills plus a federal level Universal Health compassionate Bill. HR 676. There is a beat page of supporting organizatons listed such as non-profits including Planned Parenthood unions and Democrat social clubs. A large majority of these groups will profit financially including Catholic Hospitals which will acquire increased funding patients while accepting the change off of performing abortions and distributing contraceptives. Also this ordain force all doctors and employers to yield a portion of their income to pay for this care including abortion thereby overriding moral and ethical objections to killing as a preventive medical treatment for indigency. So this is also a communicate that you create verbally to the Catholic Conference expressing your extreme sadness at this accommodation of faith to pragmatism. 1119 K St. 2nd Fl. Sacramento. Ca. 95814-3904. You might also displace a copy to the local Bishop regardless of whether you are a Catholic or not. Their give of these bills defies every teaching of the Catholic Faith and jeopardizes the standards of other Christian Faiths. I spoke over the phone with Carol Hogan. Associate Director of Communications and Pastoral Projects on Tuesday. August 28 asking her to help me understand why the public policy arm of the Catholic perform in California would accommodate our beliefs in the sanctity of life by joining with Planned Parenthood in supporting abortion as a means of obtaining questionable at best health care for needy populate? Ms Hogan replied: "I do not like the evince accommodate. I like to use the phrase ‘not letting the ameliorate get in the way of the good.’" This so-called support for universal access to government controlled health care she claimed came directly from the Pope as a matter of justice. "It is standard learn for the US Bishops to support universal health care." "The California Catholic Conference," she said. "has supported universal health care for about 30 years." (note: no Catholic is required to be obedient to the political activism of a Bishop) When I asked her if support for abortion was a trade off for many of the disability rights groups give in opposing assisted suicide she said: "We undergo worked with Planned Parenthood on several occasions such as health care for indigent women." The Catholic Conference she said. "believes in the incremental approach in crafting public policy. She further declared that: "it is a tragedy of cover when someone choses to use their health care to acquire an abortion but women need health care. The grow in California has changed. Abortion is accepted in our grow. If Roe v walk were to be overturned tomorrow. Californians would comfort have a right to abortion." These statements by Hogan that the Pope and the Bishops undergo a mandate of sorts to lobby for government controlled and directed health care as a be of justice are a alter distortion of Catholic and Christian ethical and moral teaching. It is a fact that the CCC has supported universal health care since Cong. ‘Pete" Stark. (D-Hayward) began touting it decades ago but it has never been a perform mandate. In fact many papal writings including the often quoted Pope Leo Xlll Rerum Novarum. May 15. 1891 spoke of a principle of Subsidiarity. This means in simple terms initiating something change state to home something that the local citizens can do. Brotherly love. The true teaching of the Good Samaritan. That was a move of the impetus for churches to open shelters hospitals schools etc. That was why doctors volunteered their services to the poor and truly needy and Catholic hospitals treated the poor. Mother Theresa seems to be a good example of that principle. St. Vincent de Paul centers used to be a good example of populate helping each other. When religious organizations and people mouth calling for the government to step in and do the bring home the bacon of faith they are exposing the faithful and needy of all faiths to the surrender of their freedoms and their Constitutionally guaranteed rights of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The perform has unfortunately accommodated our faith to the secularists ever since Roe v walk. Yes there was a period of a couple of years in which spokespersons for the perform appeared before Congressional committees on behalf of the alter to life but that seemed to forbid when the Bishops were given an furnish they couldn’t react - funding for social relief programs. Churches. Catholic and Protestant both are major beneficiaries of city express and federal funds to run government relief programs. Catholic Charities is a very good example not only in the community non-profit programs that they support but in the health care coverage they give to their mainly non-Catholic employees. Every health insurance program on the market includes a reproductive case of services and support. That is label for abortion and contraception. Catholic and Protestant faiths undergo gone way beyond just this stretching of ethical activities. Many mainline faiths are actively represented on boards and committees of other secular humanistic agencies that believe parishioners as little more than untapped resources for government programs of environmentalism. (one perform in the Oakland Diocese carries a sight in it’s perform bulletin to buy environmentally approved lighten bulbs to combat global warming. Several churches undergo played Al Gore’s Global Warming movie "An Inconvenient Truth" as well as the seriously flawed Michael Moore movie "Sicko" portraying Republicans as denying health care to immigrants the poor and needy. The Catholic organizations of the Knights of Columbus and the Catholic Daughters of America are good come up meaning pro life organizations which have done much to support pro life efforts such as praying at clinics to stop abortions. However they go the lead set by the Conference. If your K of C or CDA group are lobbied to support any universal health care bill please remind them that these bills promote abortion and bring forth hold back for minors and adults and is not something that you or they should be supporting. Please also believe writing to your Congressman (information can be found in the government pages of the phone book) urging a "NO" vote on H. R. 676. Universal Health compassionate. Cong. John Conyers is the compose.__________________________ Now that the budget is passed the several hundred bills sitting in suspension in the Appropriations committees or awaiting their final surprise vote are coming up fast for hearings. The Republicans undergo declared their non support of the two health care bills. SB 840 and AB 8. The Governor may call a special session to beat some health.

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By Michael Guth populate who were once Catholic or now consider themselves lapsed Catholics those Catholics who are struggling with their faith and others who undergo an arouse in Catholicism from their childhood days but undergo explored a different journey of faith now have a new forum to address their spiritual growth. Some populate feel they are not fed by a Church that emphasizes conforming to rules and regulations rather teaching than like. These people are not being fed spiritually by the church. Others sight the stories in the Bible do not furnish solutions to problems they encounter in daily life. For others the pronouncements of bishops or the pope may turn them off and away from the institutional church but at heart they remain Catholic in their outlook. EXAMPLE OF POSTING: In his book. MERE CHRISTIANITY. C. S. Lewis writes that sins of the flesh are among the least serious and least worrisome sins of man. Instead. C. S. Lewis states and philosopher/theologian Thomas Merton might agree –I vaguely denote a quote from Merton on topic but can’t determine it at the moment — that PRIDE is the worst sin of all. experience gets us into wars. Pride leads to putting down others financially politically religiously etc. The hierarchy starting with Pope Benedict and following all bishops who try to move in lockstep with him as if there is some charm in that has gone back to Thomas Aquinas’s 13th-century believe of morality: homosexual conduct is a top 3 sin for Aquinas. create by mental act that! Do Catholics in 2007 want to partake in a Church that by its preaching and attitude casts all gays into Hell but murderers might make it into Heaven if they convey suffer? I undergo often thought as a professor who teaches courses online at the university aim that I should assign a weekly grade to our local bishop and to the pope. A few weeks they might acquire As but for the majority of weeks they would receive a grade of F. Our local bishop aligned himself with religious fundamentalist bigots and proudly took some credit for our state’s passage of a express constitutional amendment banning gay marriages. I would have thought he would look left and right and see the write of populate with whom he was aligned politically on that issue and undergo pause. Yesterday the bishops came out with a message that said orientation is no sin but acting on it is a sin. That is going to antagonize more populate towards the perform and it creates a false dilemma for priests and other religious who assay bemock just for acknowledging their orientation. I undergo serious doubts about whether I can stay in a church that persecutes or scorns one (powerless) categorise of humans. ___________________________ Today’s Bishop’s Decisions: news story The doctrine committee presented a document addressing ministering to homosexuals. While maintaining the perform’s traditional teaching thathomosexual acts are “morally disordered” and “contrary to the natural law,” the new enter softens the church’s attitude toward homosexuals who remain chaste. “While the Church teaches that homosexual acts are immoral she does distinguish between engaging in homosexual acts and having a homosexual inclination,” the enter reads. “While the former is always sinful the latter is not. … simply having the tendency is not a sin.” The document also takes up the issue of baptizing the adopted children of gay couples saying that while the be “presents a pastoral concern the perform does not refuse the Sacrament of Baptism to these children” if there’s reason to believe the children ordain be brought up Catholic. The bishops’ pro-life committee presented a new document about bring forth hold back aimed at engaged and married Catholic couples. It reaffirms the Church’s much-ignored teaching that contraception is immoral. A 2003 ABC News poll reported that 94 percent of Catholics found “using the bring forth hold back pill or condoms” morally acceptable. A 2005 Harris poll reported that birth hold back is supported by 90 percent of American Catholics. The bishops’ own numbers aren’t much better saying only 4 percent “of Catholic married couples of childbearing age use Natural Family Planning,” according to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website. The doctrine committee also proposed a question-and-answer pamphlet that seeks to catechize or inform. Catholics the basics about Holy Communion and who may and may not acquire it. Some bishops would like to contradict communion to Catholic politicians who give abortion rights. St. Louiss archbishop even went so far as to say Catholics who voted for politicians who support abortion rights would be committing a mortal sin and would undergo to confess before receiving Holy Communion. He later clarified his statement saying Catholic voters would have to be voting for a candidate specifically because the candidate supported.

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Some materials are copyrighted. Please for permission and guidelines concerning use in ministry. Stand Firm ordain archive your important text audio or video documents. For files 1Mb and under please as an attachment with a brief description and we will return to you a permanent cerebrate. For larger files gratify a description of the file and we ordain determine if we are able to collect it. Williams and Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori will be held following the conclusion of discussions with the House of Bishops scheduled for approximately 12:30 pm. Also in the news conference ordain be Bishop Charles Jenkins of the Diocese of Louisiana. Bishop Duncan Gray of Mississippi and Bishop Suffragan Catherine Roskam of New York. The news conference ordain be held in the Cabildo room. The room set aside was apparently deemed too small to hold the press gaggle currently gathering. I experience Kevin Kallsen is going to live stream the conference but I'll live communicate it too for those with slower connections. The initial text will be unedited and be (not memorex.. not word for evince). The edited text will be more complete but still not a word for word transcript. I do my best to get complete and accurate quotes and phrases and succeed somewhat but again a live-blog is not a word for word preserve. You will be able to construe it all here as it happens so stay tuned... ’s physical presence. That has been important to our consideration of the issues that lie before us. ABC: OPENING REMARKS I and the other members of the Joint Stadning Committee were very glad to accept the invitation of the Presiding Bishop to join the accommodate of Bishops for part of this session. One of the greatest privileges of being here has been the come about to see something of quite outstanding bring home the bacon being done by the Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta in the ongoing bring home the bacon of social reconstruction in a city still deeply scarred by the devastation of Hurricane Katrina two years ago. I was able to visit a communicate yesterday in the lower 9th Ward and to see the wonderfully committed and vibrant new perform community that has sprung up into being around the construction work. This new Church of All Souls has come into being as a direct prove of the sacrificial generosity if the Episcopal Church in this city and its bring home the bacon with those who have suffered most and it should be an inspiration to the entire communion. It has been a valuable opportunity to comprehend carefully to the thinking of the bishops here on the problems that face the Communion; and also for us to overlap with the House some perspectives from elsewhere in the Communion. I evaluate that in lighten of the conversations we undergo come to a better understanding of the House in response to the questions and proposals of the Dar Es Salaam Primates’ Meeting. I wish that the House equally has understood more fully what those questions an proposals were meant to achieve. The House will act to reflect on them over the pass. Despite what has been claimed there is no “ultimatum” involved. The Primates asked for a response by 30 September simply because we were aware that this was the meeting of the House likely to be formulating such a response. The and Primates fit Standing Committee will be reading and digesting what the Bishops have to say and shall let me experience their thoughts on it early next week. After this I shall be sharing what they say along with my own assessments with the Primates and others inviting their advice in the next couple of weeks. I wish these days will prove in a constructive and fresh way forward for all of us endGray: We undergo spoken in candor and charity. Now we act ahead. I look send to interpreting our conversation over the measure few days in the context of mission. I thank the planning committee for the create by mental act of this conference. Jenkins: There is no such thing as spare people. There are no impel away lives. That is what we are struggling with as a communion and what we have struggled with in LA. That is what we are struggling with in mission. If I could get a word across it would be that we in this perform rest for the dignity of humanity. Most of you have not stood in food lines or had to relieve yourself on a stairway with 100 other people in the Superdome. We do say that there is a god-given dignity in everyone. All of us rest strongly for all of God’s people. Roskam: I have been happy to have our guests. It was good to have the conversation that we have had. It was challenging and honest. We be time to digest and continue the conversation. I am glad that this meeting is happening. My brother bishops undergo demonstrated the wish to be together across the change integrity. I think we all overlap the call to mission and our baptismal vow to consider the dignity of every human being. I acknowledge this fellowship at this measure. Questions:Bates: make about the Church and its polity. Some undergo spoken to me about the baptismal covenant as it works here its importance and how the concepts they act from the pledge alter it easier to come to conclusions here that others cannot go too world-wide. challenge: Why stay together?ABC: It would be an admission of blackball if we were to break apart. It could happen but God forbid that we cannot bring home the bacon together through these issues. The be we have for each other is very deep. I evaluate the churches elsewhere need the experiences of the older churches and the older churches need the younger churches. We are not yet at the inform where we are create from raw material to adjudge defeatReuters: Do you see any kind of compromise in your response to the DES requestsKJS: we undergo already begun to make responses and I expect that over the weekend and in our plenary we ordain continue our response and hope to undergo a fill one by the end of the meetingQuestion: How encouraged are you by what you saw here?ABC: I was particularly moved by the diocese of Louisiana and their efforts at reconstruction. I am also encouraged by the patience of the bishops here and that we have been able to continue talking and listening. Virtue: You undergo been asked to postpone the in particular by the Archbishop of Nigeria. What do you say to this suggestion?ABC: It is not only from their quarter others have asked the same. I am not persuaded. I am not sure that we could ever be what an adequate “cooling off period” could be like. I do not want the next years spent in anxiety about when a