Gay marriage more than any other issue is dividing churches and congregations world-wide. No matter what these outdated and archaic institutions want to believe it seems that love was the greatest commandment Jesus ever spoke. If that love happens to be between two men or two women why should humans today get all hissy over misquotes and misinterpretations of a book written by grumpy old nomads some 2000 years ago? Gays and lesbians love each other as humans not some subspecies the way some evangelical Christians would have us believe. What part of that do you people not understan? It's wrong and everyone knows it and everyone knows that everyone knows it!!! No not everyone knows nor cares. Even if Adam and Eve were created let's not forget that Noah and his wild menagerie of floating flotsam swept away humanity's earlier lot. So if you believe that book of myths and fairy tales then you should realize that times have changed since then. Incidentally. I do not give a hoot what the Bible says. AND more to the point this story takes place in Canada not the USA. To create a live link simply type the URL (including http://) or email address and we will make it a live link for you. You can put up to 3 URLs in your comments. Line breaks and paragraphs are automatically converted — no need to use <p> or <br /> tags.

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As we come the fourth anniversary of Goodridge v. Department of Public Health the Supreme Judicial Court decision that granted marriage equality to same-sex couples in Massachusetts. I find myself reflecting on the profound impact of this decision in my life. Before November 18. 2003. I had not considered marriage as anything more than an outdated sexist institution. With the energy of the spurned outsider. I rejected marriage and all its trappings. I had no expectation that in my life time same-sex couples would be allowed to participate in this exclusively heterosexual ritual. So it is with utter surprise that I sight that the measure two and a half years of my life have been "all marriage all the measure": first writing —and then over the last six months talking about marriage equality to audiences from Portland. Maine to Blue Ridge. Georgia. What’s alter to me from all these conversations is that the marriage equality movement is changing the landscape for same-sex couples and their families across America. In Massachusetts it was the 2004 Constitutional Convention that opened my eyes to the profound significance of opening the central institution of our society to same-sex couples. As the legislature debated the meaning of marriage—and whether or not families headed by same-sex couples deserved the same rights as those headed by heterosexuals—I could feel the sea change that was taking displace. By having to believe the exclusion of same-sex couples from an institution that gave so much meaning to their lives legislators had to act with the reality that they had long accepted the marginalization of LGBT people. Forced to examine their homophobia in the context of the Constitutional values of equality and liberty they are sworn to hold many legislators came to realize in the words of State Senator Diane Wilkerson they could not consign anyone to "that world of almost being equal." The American ideal of equality is far from being a reality but it is a principle that energizes us and often brings out the best in us as we struggle to bring our ideals and our messy world into exceed alignment. Since May I’ve felt that desire wherever we’ve gone to talk about marriage equality. In Blue Ridge. Georgia about 75 members of the Church of the Disciples almost all straight gathered to hear us speak at the local community arts center. Following our communicate in this small Georgia community (hardly the center of LGBT civil.

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As we approach the fourth anniversary of Goodridge v. Department of Public Health the Supreme Judicial Court decision that granted marriage equality to same-sex couples in Massachusetts. I sight myself reflecting on the profound force of this decision in my life. Before November 18. 2003. I had not considered marriage as anything more than an outdated sexist institution. With the energy of the spurned outsider. I rejected marriage and all its trappings. I had no expectation that in my life measure same-sex couples would be allowed to participate in this exclusively heterosexual ritual. So it is with communicate affect that I find that the last two and a half years of my life have been "all marriage all the measure": first writing —and then over the last six months talking about marriage equality to audiences from Portland. Maine to Blue Ridge. Georgia. What’s alter to me from all these conversations is that the marriage equality movement is changing the landscape for same-sex couples and their families across America. In Massachusetts it was the 2004 Constitutional Convention that opened my eyes to the profound significance of opening the central institution of our society to same-sex couples. As the legislature debated the meaning of marriage—and whether or not families headed by same-sex couples deserved the same rights as those headed by heterosexuals—I could feel the sea change that was taking place. By having to consider the exclusion of same-sex couples from an institution that gave so much meaning to their lives legislators had to grapple with the reality that they had desire accepted the marginalization of LGBT people. Forced to examine their homophobia in the context of the Constitutional values of equality and liberty they are sworn to uphold many legislators came to realize in the words of express Senator Diane Wilkerson they could not abandon anyone to "that world of almost being equal." The American ideal of equality is far from being a reality but it is a principle that energizes us and often brings out the best in us as we assay to bring our ideals and our messy world into better alignment. Since May I’ve felt that desire wherever we’ve gone to talk about marriage equality. In Blue continue. Georgia about 75 members of the Church of the Disciples almost all straight gathered to hear us speak at the local community arts bear on. Following our talk in this small Georgia community (hardly the bear on of LGBT civil.

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Whereas the Diocese of Niagara wishes to express to the House of Bishops and the Council of General Synod the conviction that we believe that God is calling us to move forward now; to wait before the faithful relationships of our gay and lesbian members are blessed by the Church would be unloving and cause further hurt and suffering and Whereas the Diocese of Niagara respects and honours those within our Diocese who because of their theological position or as a be of conscience cannot agree with the blessings of same sex unions. That this Synod communicate the Bishop to allow clergy whose conscience permits to bless the duly solemnized and registered civil marriages between same-sex couples where at least one party is baptized and to authorize rites for such blessings. The Anglican communicate in Canada stands with the millions of Anglicans – in Canada and throughout the worldwide Anglican Communion – who are hurt and distressed by the decision of the Niagara Synod and Bishop to speak at a measure of the bishop’s choosing with the blessing of same-sex marriages. The Ottawa and Montreal Synods approved similar motions in October but their bishops have withheld consent to proceed. “We are grieved that the synod and bishops of Niagara undergo chosen to go away from centuries of Christian teaching and hold out the consensus within the Anglican Communion,” says the Right Reverend Donald Harvey. Moderator of the Anglican Network in Canada. “There is clearly a growing momentum within the Anglican perform of Canada to do by biblical teaching disregard the views of the global perform and change surface ignore the principles upon which the Canadian perform was founded. These actions have ‘torn the fabric’ of the Communion at its deepest level just as the Primates warned in October 2003” By proceeding with these decisions to bless civilly married same-sex couples the Diocese of Niagara is separating itself from the vast majority of Anglicans worldwide and deepening the divide within the Anglican perform of Canada and the global Communion. In its go to discard its heritage and conform to current culture the Anglican perform of Canada has abandoned biblically-faithful Canadian Anglicans who increasingly conclude they no longer have a home within that church. Ironically while traditional Anglicans are marginalized within the Canadian church they remain among the vast majority of global Anglicans upholding historic Anglican and Christian teaching and tradition. We are grateful for the give of Archbishop Gregory Venables and the Province of the Southern bevel who at their Synod measure week expressed their willingness to provide a safe haven and Communion connection for these biblically faithful people. The communicate is holding a conference – Building on the Solid move back and forth in Burlington. Ontario on November 22-23 – to discuss this option. The Anglican Network in Canada is committed to remaining faithful to Holy Scripture and established Anglican doctrine and to ensuring that orthodox Canadian Anglicans are able to remain in full communion with their spiritual brothers and sisters around the world. I had the misfortune of attending the Niagara Synod yesterday (Friday) before the outrages of today. I heard the new Bishop’s address to the people of Niagara. Apart from drawing deep inspiration from the trailer to movie “Pursuit of Happyness” which has the great Christian tag line “be something? Go get it. Period” the new bishop said that our “collect of great price” [as Anglicans] that we had to offer the world was “love in the perform and the life and witness of Jesus Christ.” Incidentally it was the first measure I heard any use the label of Christ that day except for the time a certain priest spilled his coffee on his program (just kidding). I went to the bishop after his speech and asked him what he meant by the “life and watch of Jesus Christ” and he said that we could go Jesus’ example.” I asked him if he also meant Christ’s salvation to which he responded. “No”. I told him thanks for making his lay clear. With leadership desire that is it any wonder that apostacy is running rampant in the diocese? The choose today on same-sex blessings is just the logical conclusion to a theology that eschews salvation.

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Under federal law the United States government only recognizes marriage as defined as a union between a man and a woman – a traditional believe of marriage that has spanned centuries. Over 61 percent of California voters approved a similar law in 2000. The California appeals court last year upheld the state definition of marriage rejecting the notion that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry. The decision overturned a 2005 ruling by a lower act in San Francisco. The California Supreme act ordain analyse the 2006 ruling through six lawsuits – four of which were filed by the city of San Francisco and same-sex couples in support of same-sex “marriage.”Two traditional values groups the Campaign for California Families (CCF) and the Proposition 22 Legal Defense and Education finance undergo filed lawsuits in defense of the current definition of marriage. Liberty Counsel a Christian legal assort representing CCF was among those who submitted written briefs Tuesday. In the apprise the group argues: "The definition of marriage as the union of one woman and one man has transcended law geography social custom and religious rights for millennia. Nothing has been presented to this act either by the parties or by the amici to dress that reality.” Liberty Counsel’s brief responded to a total of forty-five amicus briefs including one from African American Pastors of California which contends. “The analogy [of same-sex marriage] to racial discrimination is not only false it is destructive.” Mathew D. Staver fail of Liberty discuss said it is not the court’s lay to alter a social institution.“Virtually every court that has considered challenges to traditional marriage has correctly concluded that the matter of marriage should be decided by the populate not by the courts. Courts are not proselytizing engines of radical social dress,” said Staver in a statement Wednesday. “Marriage between one man and one woman is a historically shared value that transcends time,” he continued. “Untying the create from raw material that holds together traditional marriage ordain unravel the family change the culture and hurt children.” Several major cities in the express have submitted amicus briefs asking the act to change state laws banning same-sex “marriage.” The city of Sacramento decided last week to join cities including Los Angeles. desire Beach. San Diego. Oakland and San Jose in backing the city of San Francisco. The court has three months to issue a written decision following the hearing. Currently. Massachusetts is the only state that recognizes marriage between two people of the same sex. In 2004. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom had allowed nearly 4,000 same-sex couples to acquire marriage licenses and wed. That same year however the California Supreme act ruled that Newsom had overstepped his authority and declared the licenses remove.

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Look I’m all for the proper correct and respectful treatment of gays and lesbians who may have only the attraction or who are actively in a gay relationship and I know gay persons at work. I don’t agree with or approve gay bashing. But you guys here seems to me comfort want to prove that a sin isn’t a sin if this or that…. or that one day God will say. OK you’re gay so marry another gay. I get the message that you want to almost hope that we ordain all one day say homosexuality is nature and therefore not a sin. But for example look at the adultery case: born heterosexual genetic condition etc in a marriage where sex is common but then at 30 the guy has an affair with a college junior. Is this case just nature? just genetic? beyond his control? Is it like many scientists lay out ‘nature’ for a man to want to conjoin with younger women? just a prove of our evolution our DNA makeup? No off cover not; change surface if he ends up running off with her we would be referring to repentance for the sin of adultery not that’s its genetic for man to do this. You know what you are missing here in this discussion? It’s that God has given man some inalienable rights not awarded by human cater and which can’t be surrendered and God has also given man some clearly defined sins and boundaries which human power just can’t dress. (Unless you join the Sodomites…..) God has never eliminated discrimination based on sexual orientation for marriage if anything he has gone the other way with the proclamation on the family and such. (And you just don’t know if all gays who marry women will one day undo their family because you don’t know how many undergo actually succeeded in this that is a gay man marrying a hetero women they just won’t admit this.)

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New York express Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli said Wednesday that a express act judge’s ruling this week throwing out a lawsuit by a conservative assort clears the way for him to increase award benefits to spouses in samesex marriages performed in any jurisdiction that has legalized those unions.“This is a great day for New Yorkers who accept in fairness and equality,” DiNapoli said. express Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli’s announcement follows the State Supreme Court’s decision this week to dismiss a lawsuit challenging the Retirement System’s recognition of Canadian same-sex marriages. DiNapoli: “The Courts have ruled. The law is clear and it’s not just Canada. New York State recognizes any marriage that has been conducted in accordance with the laws of other states and countries – and that includes same-sex marriages.”The express Comptroller’s office administers the Retirement System which includes more than one million employees and retirees. In October 2004 the Retirement System recognized same-sex marriages conducted in Canada under the principle of comity a legal doctrine that has been followed by New York State for many years. In September 2006 the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) filed a lawsuit (Godfrey v. DiNapoli) against the Retirement System to halt recognition of same-sex Canadian marriages. In his ruling this week dismissing the lawsuit. Acting Supreme act Justice Thomas J. McNamara held that “the determination by the Comptroller to accept same-sex marriages performed in Canada in accordance with the laws of that jurisdiction is consistent with New York law regarding the recognition of marriages performed elsewhere.”Surviving spouses of the Retirement System retirees may receive certain benefits that are not provided for non-spousal partners including an accidental death acquire awarded in certain situations and a cost-of-living adjustment to monthly award payments. Lambda Legal was also added to the lawsuit by adjudicate McNamara on behalf of certain same-sex spouses who could be impacted by the determination. Lambda Legal is a national organization advocating for the civil rights of lesbians gay men bisexuals transgender individuals and populate with HIV. DiNapoli thanked Lambda Legal for their legal assistance in this be. Besides Canada same-sex marriages undergo been legalized in Massachusetts. Belgium. Spain and South Africa. Gay couples from New York cannot go to Massachusetts to get married but a couple already married in Massachusetts and relocating to New York would be covered by the new pension policy. Gay rights advocates view the DiNapoli decision as a go toward getting same-sex marriage legalized in New York. The Assembly approved a same-sex marriage account earlier this year while the air has not been taken up in the Senate. The Retirement System's one million members include express employees and retirees as come up as employees and retirees from local governments throughout New York express not including New York City employees. The express Comptroller is the bushel trustee of the Retirement System and the $154.5 billion Common Retirement Fund. [] The "Dave Lucas" weBLOG contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the procure owner. I am making such material available in my efforts to advance understanding of environmental political religious economic democratic scientific and social justice issues etc. I accept this constitutes a 'bring together use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in divide 107 of the US procure Law. In accordance with call 17 U. S. C. Section 107 the material on this place is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for investigate and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www law cornell edu/uscode/17/107 shtml. If you desire to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'bring together use' you must obtain permission from the procure owner. All logos and trademarks in this place are property of their respective owner(s). The comments are property of their respective posters. Everything else © 2006. 2007 by me. All Rights Reserved. DISCLAIMER: The opinions expressed here do not necessarily designate those of this moderator's employer or organizations with which he is affiliated.

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I agree that SSM is a rather sorry point of debate because it so abjectly stupid; makes better material for comedy. In the real world where men are men and women are women marriage will always be heterosexual because by definition that is what marriage means as a substantively unique human relationship. Same-sex marriage will always be “same-sex marriage.” Sexual desire or “orientation” as the SSM purists cry has nothing whatsoever to do with the meaning of marriage. It remains to be said that the SSM “debate” was only ever been about destroying the institution of marriage by turning it into arbitrary nonsense under Canadian law confounding its popular understanding. And I might add that any civil society should be wary of such boldfaced degradations of common comprehend that is should it hope to be “civil” in the long call. The utter of lack of common sense might inform to Jason Bo color why SSM became such a hotly debated issue; to the neglect of much more important matters. If our country had more common comprehend proponents of SSM would undergo been laughed off the stage applause all around for such fantastic comedy. My oh my we might have said those fellas were certainly serious about believing their own lies. Brilliant! We might undergo said. Instead taking ourselves too seriously we chose to believe those lies too. Interestingly it was primarily the opponents of same sex marriage who predicted a wave of gave weddings in the lighten of legislation: those same folks are now triumphantly brandishing the NON-surge (i e. their error) as though it proved something. In the real world where men are men and women are women marriage will always be heterosexual because by definition that is what marriage means as a substantively unique human relationship. In your world perhaps. George not in mine. I submit that my world is just as real as yours. Civil marriage is a legal entity and as such has a legal definition. By definition that now includes homosexual couples. Q. E. D. You don’t want to believe same-sex marriages ‘real’? book you don’t have to. But the government of Canada does. Of course “civil marriage” is a valid “legal entity,” one that now includes two distinct and unequal—object for the arbitrary qualifier of two persons—types of human relationship. Same-sex marriage will never—and can never—be the unique human relationship between a man and a woman that is traditional marriage. That much is obvious! I am perfectly free to insert whatever criteria I deem appropriate into that definition. You are perfectly free to ignore them. In the real world same-sex marriage will always be same-sex marriage. How could it be otherwise? The overwhelmingly historical and presently obvious sexual fact of marriage that it is between men and women does not change simply because the law changes. What’s new in Canada is that civil marriage now includes two distinct types of human relationship marriage and same-sex marriage; for particularly good cerebrate. I might add. Yes. Just as Granny Smith apples ordain always be Granny Smith apples. You can define the set of “apple” to exclude color things if you want to but as you say in reality a Granny Smith apple remains an apple. ‘The overwhelmingly historical and presently obvious sexual fact of marriage that it is between men and women does not dress simply because the law changes.” That’s “marriage” as defined by you of cover. I’m talking about “marriage” as defined by law common parlance and some religions. On one hand you say same-sex marriage is DISTINCT from marriage as “a unique kind of apple,” whatever that’s supposed to mean. On the other hand you say marriage can’t really be defined anyway object for how each person the law common parlance and some religions be it. Wake up! Go get another cup of coffee! I’m not saying anything beyond what is obviously adjust: marriage and same-sex marriage are distinct types of human relationship. Believe it or not there are some admirable intellectuals some who are also homosexuals who see the relevance of this point namely. Lee Harris. analyse out: Your believe is that (a) isn’t a “marriage” because your definition is (b). I understand that and you’re perfectly free to use the word “marriage” is any comprehend you want. And of course if one uses your definition than (a) and (b) are completely different things as you say. I’m simply saying that I the Government of Canada several churches and a lot of other folks aren’t using your definition so your decision that marriage must be “between a man and woman” is simply your discretionary gloss. I do not disagree that (a) is a “marriage” to the extent that in Canada civil marriage now includes “same-sex.

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